Liverpool, a club with no honour, and now with little respect as they are held by Everton
The Al Maktoum family recently accused Liverpool Football Club of acting dishonourably after they had shook hands on a deal with David Moores only to find that the deal was “un-agreed” at the next Board meeting of the club, following an improved offer from the Gillett consortium. Personally I doubt that money was the prime motivator behind the decision of David Moores to pull out of an agreement that he had shaken hands on, rather I believe that David Moores, Liverpool fan to the core, saw the Gillett offer as an opportunity to keep hold of his precious Liverpool, if only for a few more weeks.
Despite the Liverpool PR machine rolling out, saying that they had felt bullied by DIC, that the offer wasn’t that which had been agreed, and that the club had to do what it felt best for its shareholders, the fact is that David Moores had shaken hands and given a verbal agreement to DIC, and only pulled out when they had an increased offer on the table, so you can understand the Al Maktoum family’s disappointment with the club at their “lack of honour and respect”.
Benitez has followed in the club’s tradition by showing a lack of honour and respect for his local rivals. Instead of praising his opponent’s tenacity and resilience he decided to cast aspersions on their heritage, to look for a scapegoat for yet another failed Premiership campaign.
It’s true that Everton haven’t won the League title for 20 years, but then again it has been almost as long for Liverpool. It is also ironic that Liverpool, whose fans accuse Chelsea of buying the league and therefore of having no honour, now find that their best chance of winning (or should that be buying?) the Premiership now rests with the £150m transfer budget promised by Gillett.
As for the game itself, there was excitement at both ends with Reina saving well from Johnson and Osman, as well as Gerrard almost putting the ball in his own net, whilst at the other end Tim Howard placed himself well to gather shots from Crouch and Alonso, but most of the second half was all about restricting Liverpool to long range speculative efforts, although if he’d had more composure Crouch might have made something of the only real chance that Liverpool had instead of fluffing it.
All in all it was an exciting game, as most derbies are, more nail-biting than flowing, with each team desperate not to make the one mistake that could turn the match. But over the two games this season, Everton have shown the greater resolve and the better finishing, with Liverpool finding themselves running out of ideas.
The only small thing about the game was Rafa’s comment after it, which diminished the reputation of his once great club. His words were those of a bitter little man against a local rival who had taken 4 points of him and effectively ended any hopes of a Premiership title for yet another year….
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117 opinions for Liverpool, a club with no honour, and now with little respect as they are held by Everton
Gomez
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:04 am
Shockingly poor attempt at journalism.
crasher
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:16 am
its nice to see mancs sticking up for their feeder club
John
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:18 am
Everton supporter , yes your team ARE small
( Liverpool are supported worldwide by the way).
Tho Everton arent as small as your IQ.
Re the other “DICS” check your facts , a club cant accept an offer if it hasnt been formally made nor if it goes against company law.
Boring….
Frank McCullough
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:19 am
Sorry Juggler but you are wrong. Everton are a “small” club as is every club outside the big four.
Even Moyes admitted this in his interview.
You cannot get away from the fact that the small clubs come to places like Anfield and attempt not to lose.
You can blame Rafa and his team for not having the know how to deal with these tactics but you cant blame them for telling the truth.
The Ghost of Dr Fun
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:25 am
If Liverpool had defended at Goodison as well as we did at Anfield they would have escaped that 3-0 snotting we handed out to them.
El Maestro
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:37 am
You´re soooo SMALL Everton! ;o)
Just admit it, and stop living in denial!
I Speak the Truth
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:44 am
Interesting to hear what Benitez said about Everton being a small club ( small in the amount they are in debt) wheras Liverpool are 85 million in debt & getting bigger! If being so much in debt is being a big club then Liverpool would be in the big 4 otherwise just dream on. Liverpool are big Europe wide because that is where their fan base is, NOT in Liverpool!
Marcus
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:48 am
This is an incredibly biased report. I think most of the papers have blown Rafa’s comments out of proportion (like they always love to, even with other managers). There are perceptions about what a small club is, However, I dun think Rafa was anything close to being a million paces off saying that Everton is a small club, especially if you compare them to the likes of Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea maybe even Newcastle, both in terms of fan base and finance.
Of coz, every team will have their local Heroes. But Everton don’t have someone who has won the PFA, or neither have they won the Champions League, or as many league titles as Liverpool. So, In that sense, they are relatively small.
And I bet if David Moyes was given the chance to manage Liverpool, he’d jump at it.
Ok. Speculation is speculation and we should just leave it that way. I do admit it was a gritty performance by the blue half of the mersey and a result better suited to Everton than Liverpool, but that’s about it. Enough said.
Jones1983
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:54 am
Its very unlike Sack The Juggler to come up with a poorly written anti-Liverpool piece of dross
If he had heard David Moyes in the interview talk about how little money the club has spent compared to Liverpool then he would have realised that Everton is a smaller club than Liverpool, and hence is a small club compared to them….
il postino
Feb 5, 2007 at 10:57 am
The Poor Peoples Club - For small minded bigots
The Big Three
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:17 am
Its not even worth wasting breath on what the Red Sh*te say however lets look at the facts:
1) Everton are a small club compared to Chelsea Arsenal and Man Utd
2) There are only 3 Big Teams (named above) and theres 1 wannabe team in their own eyes only!!!
3) You dont hear UTD, Chelsea or Arsenal moaning when they get taken for 4 points outta 6 by a smaller club.
4) Real Big teams go out and break teams down no matter how they play
5) Its boring hearing every season Liverfools gona win the league and then they end up with nowt
6) Big teams dont moan cry and BEG to get into champions league when they dont qualify….
So all i have to say to the Girly red Sh*te
“Get on ur knees where u belong and beg to be a big team”
Cumon chelsea, utd and arsenal the big boys in the premiership.
PS. for the redsh*te fans: you can get a translated version of this in your own language/country, as most cant read english.
Monty
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:21 am
This article is badly written, riddled with bias and worst of all - factually incorrect. Therefore it lacks any real meaning in the context of reporting football other than to further expose the reality that there are way too many ill-informed fans with internet connections.
Whether Everton are a small club or not…this “attempt” foolishly fails to recognise that Rafa spoke in general terms about clubs without resources like LFC…..he was inflammatory and he shouldn’t have said it but it can be attributed more to bad english than any malicious intent.
Maybe it’s best to leave it to those with some degree of objectivity who don’t write articles with ridiculous titles like the one above….Everton are a big club and still have a great tradition….Liverpool are still the most successful club in Britain but are not as big a club as they once were…the whole thing has been blown out of proportion but naturally, as is proven above, any excuse to insult a rival team will be taken by those of limited intellect and little more than vitriol to inspire them.
A mixture of pity and contempt is all this article evokes…..next time, save your energy and don’t bother embarrassing yourself or the club you blindly support.
Mark Hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:26 am
DIC and Liverpool entered into a period of exclusive negotiations as they had tabled the most attractive informal bid to the club at the time. Gillett had tabled an informal bid but it was dismissed as inferior when comparing it with the DIC one. During that period of exclusive negotiations, a new bid from Gillett coincided with the leaking of a document detailing DIC’s 7 year exit strategy. This new bid was a joint bid with Thomas Hicks. Hicks is a man with a proven track record in the sporting industry. When he took over the Dallas Stars Ice Hockey team he promptly won 7 division championships (including 5 on the trot) and a coveted Stanley Cup. He also owns the Texas Rangers Baseball team and has a history of heavily investing in all the teams he owns. He also built one of the finest stadiums in U.S sport.
Do you honestly expect Moores and the LFC board not to consider this new bid because he has shaken somebody’s hand?
Don’t be so stupid.
It’s in Liverpool’s long term interest to consider this very attractive U.S offer, especially when there were doubts raised over the long term commitment from DIC after the leaked 7 year exit document. Then DIC spat their dummy out because they were no longer guaranteed first choice.
David Moores may well have gone back on his handshake with DIC, but he did it with the best interests of LFC in mind and definitely with his dignity and honour in tact.
You are just falling into the stereotype of a bitter blue.
Mark Hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:33 am
DIC and Liverpool entered into a period of exclusive negotiations as they had tabled the most attractive informal bid to the club at the time. Gillett had tabled an informal bid but it was dismissed as inferior when comparing it with the DIC one. During that period of exclusive negotiations, a new bid from Gillett coincided with the leaking of a document detailing DIC’s 7 year exit strategy. This new bid was a joint bid with Thomas Hicks. Hicks is a man with a proven track record in the sporting industry. When he took over the Dallas Stars Ice Hockey team he promptly won 7 division championships (including 5 on the trot) and a coveted Stanley Cup. He also owns the Texas Rangers Baseball team and has a history of heavily investing in all the teams he owns. He also built one of the finest stadiums in U.S sport.
Do you honestly expect Moores and the LFC board not to consider this new bid because he has shaken somebody’s hand?
Don’t be so stupid.
It’s in Liverpool’s long term interest to consider this very attractive U.S offer, especially when there were doubts raised over the long term commitment from DIC after the leaked 7 year exit document. Then DIC spat their dummy out because they were no longer guaranteed first choice.
David Moores may well have gone back on his handshake with DIC, but he did it with the best interests of LFC in mind and definitely with his dignity and honour in tact.
You are just falling into the stereotype of a bitter blue!!!
Runar
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:40 am
Rafa did not say Everton are a small club. He said they played like small team do when the visit Anfield.
allencio
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:46 am
When Benitez takes his little club to a truly big club Barcelona, will he play three up front go all out on the attack or try to frustrate and defend so as not to concede away from home??I hope he does the former so I can sit at home and watch them get taken to the cleaners.Liverpool no class,no title again and even the Gillette money wont buy them the premiership.Get used to it,Liverpool are bottom of a league of 4 and not likely to improve on it with another £120 million.
Sack Sack The Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:53 am
As usual a poorly researched and badly written piece attempting to stir things up.
Voice of Reason
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Rafa’s knowledge of the English game is limited. Clubs with a large fan base will always be considered big clubs - they have history and are always threatening to relive former glories. Everton, Aston Villa, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Spurs are all clubs that can fill big stadiums with big crowds and are considered ‘big clubs’ in the English game.
And, yes… in the City of Liverpool, there are more Everton fans than Liverpool fans…. just like in the City of Manchester there are more Man City fans than Man Utd fans..
What Bentitez failed to remember is that Liverpool FC directly prevented Everton breaking through into big time European Football because of their rioting fans. At that time Everton were arguabley the best team in Europe but were never able to prove it after their 1985 Cup Winners Cup success because of the ban on English Teams.
As for Chelsea being big… well, they’ll have to maintain success over decades to enjoy that mantle. They’re just a big money club at the moment.
Barry
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:03 pm
as for the liverpool supporter saying Everton players have not won the PFA award……….. below is the last ten years of winners……….and the Liverpool players are where?
Previous PFA Players of the Year:
1996: Les Ferdinand (Newcastle)
1997: Alan Shearer (Newcastle)
1998: Dennis Bergkamp (Arsenal)
1999: David Ginola (Tottenham)
2000: Roy Keane (Manchester Utd)
2001: Teddy Sheringham (Manchester Utd)
2002: Ruud Van Nistelrooy (Manchester Utd)
2003: Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
2004: Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
2005: John Terry (Chelsea)
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Mark Hobbs, some good points, butI still think that Rafa threw his dummy out. The funny thing is Everton made his wish come true - he said that he didn’t want to hear any more title talk, well now he wont! :)
Boydy5times
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Fuck off you fucking scum hack bastard - pardon my french but you are a prick!
YNWA
Jimmy Scuffy
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:39 pm
I note a few people saying there are more EFC than LFC supporters in Liverpool.
Since when? Anyone done a real survey? NO!
Also beware the self-proclaimers:
ManUtd like to refer to themselves as “the biggest club in the world” - again any serious analysis makse this look like wishful thinking at best, inappropriate crowing at worst.
Now it’s “The People’s Club” - so EFC are so bad, so small that they need to spin themselves some virtue. Try WINNING something (and I don’t mean PFA player of the year) - real trophies against other teams playing football.
Hey, perhaps you could go one better and win something spectacularly so that the whole world can be inspired. How about winning the best FA cup final in living memory, or the best Champions League final ever, arguably even the best UEFA final (v Alaves).
Not only do LFC fans outnumber you in our own City but also everywhere else on the planet.
And you don’t need to be Einstein to understand why.
Mr Objective
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Isn’t this an argument that Everton fans should stay away from unless they’re brave enough to come out of their denial?
Mr Objective
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Just asked in my office (Central London) how many scousers people know and which team they support.
Currently about 8 to 1 LFC over efc ;)
amused
Feb 5, 2007 at 12:53 pm
David Moyes was bleating on before the game about his lack of resources compared to Liverpool describing his club as “massive underdogs” financially, was that not his own admission that they are smaller?
Can a club which cannot fill its ground for european games - for which they have been waiting for decades as we are constantly being reminded - be classed as big?
No-one is denying Everton’s history but the self proclaimed People’s club are deluding themselves in thinking that only they command local support
By the way Barry was there a good reason for leaving the 2006 PFA Player of the Year - Stephen Gerrard off your list? Or were you just trying to distort the facts?
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 1:01 pm
I’m glad most LFC fans aren’t supporting Rafa’s comments, he was clearly just turning sour grapes into whine… ;)
Mr Objective
Feb 5, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Juggler, are you really unaware of London Stock Exchange rules?
They are in place to stop a majority shareholder selling out on a nod and a wink or hand-sheik for that matter.
Nothing to do with honour, just obeying the law.
How much more dishonorable would it be for Moores not to consider his fellow shareholders (of which I happen to be one)?
Well, Juggler?
Barry
Feb 5, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I was just trying to point out how fickle LFC fans are. I live in Merseyside and I know what a great club Liverpool is, but I also know that the vast majority of supporters in Liverpool support Everton. I also know that Everton have won the league title in 1891, 1915, 1928, 1932, 1939, 1963, 1970, 1985, 1987 won the fa cup in 1906, 1933, 1966, 1984, 1995. I also know that Peter Reid & Gary Big ears Link have won the PFA player of the year. Everton were also one of the founder members of the football league and have spent more seasons in the top flight then any other club. I respect what Liverpool have acheived and their history……… Maybe some Liverpool supporters should start respecting their neighbours. (IF YOU KNOW YOU’RE HISTORY)
Mark Hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 1:10 pm
STJ - So yours and Everton’s greatest delight this year is taking 4 points off Liverpool? And you’re not a small club? Behave.
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Mark, not Everton’s greatest delight I’m sure, but the four points will come in handy.
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Mr Objective, I agree that David Moores should have abided by the rules, and should not have led DIC to think otherwise…
Mark Hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 1:46 pm
If we didn’t know our history we could just look on the internet like you Barry.
Barry
Feb 5, 2007 at 2:08 pm
You have to be able to read and type to use the internet Mark……….. something beyond your capabilities. It shows how much of an arm chair supporter you are, you need to get in your car, drive up the M1 turn left on to the M6…. Follow signs saying NORTH. Turn left at Warrington, head towards Liverpool. Once there go to a derby match, you’ll here one set of supporters singing “If You Know You’re History”. You are a muppet.
blue balls
Feb 5, 2007 at 2:17 pm
rafa’s revenge ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha HA small club whos bitter now kopites are gobshites
Mark Hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Barry - Did you get those directions from the internet too?
Evidently I can read and type otherwise you’re having a psychotic episode but what exactly shows how much of an armchair supporter I am? Have you got a point to your rambling?
I’m sat in Liverpool as I type and fortunately get to go to most home matches, not that I have to justify myself to you.
I was there on Saturday too so save your standard bitter blue Liverpool bashing and concentrate on supporting your team towards Intertoto qualification.
Barry
Feb 5, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Mark, no I didn’t get those direction from the internet, I got them from your mum when she was squealing as i took her from behind.
if we don’t get in the Intertoto cup…….. can we go begging uefa to let us enter.
El Maestro
Feb 5, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Thumbs up, Hobbs! ;o)
YNWA
El Maestro
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Hahahahaaaa!! You´re obviously mentally challenged Barry!
I suggest that you get help!
Barry
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Why El Maestro? Is your Mum up for it?
Mr Objective
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Well, Juggler, I suspect that at the time it was the only deal on the table. Had DIC moved through due diligance promptly (a bit longer than it takes to shake hands admittedly, but it only took the Americans 3 days), then Moores should have been in no doubt as to their intent and the deal may well have been done.
Can’t say I liked the DIC leaked documents either. Investment Capital companies need to make a healthy return at least in the medium turn. Don’t think I’m interested in making the most money for my shares either. Theoretically, I could have retained my shareholding, waited 7 years until DIC sell out to yet another takeover and perhaps get treble the amount I would have got at £4,500 per share.
It’s not an easy subject and every fan of the club has an opinion but your piece is from the “other side” shall we say and really has been constructed with selected errors and omissions a forethought.
Of course, the other toffee’s on here (does sound a bit small club-ish though doesn’t it - “toffees”) rally to the call and try to pass off the fiction that there are more blues than reds in Liverpool. Yes, there are more City fans than ManUre in Manchester (and that’s been true for ever) but the same cannot be said of Liverpool’s “smaller” club no matter how much you might wish it were true.
My fellow reds, I dare say are as amused as I am by Rafa’s remarks. The man comes from Madrid. He knows his football and is highly regarded throughout the football world for his astuteness and analytical approach. His observation to 99% of the football world will be seen as an honest and objective response to a team that didn’t try to play football but to stop the other side playing football. Of course, he hasn’t grasped every nuance of English language, culture and political correctness so he calls it how he sees it.
Now, he says he was only copying Shankly. Well, there he really has met his match. If you want to diss someone and get away with it, be funny.
Bernard Manning
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Mine is Barry ;)
marks hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:35 pm
i am a fucking queer kopite spick twat
marks hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:37 pm
i am a fucking queer kopite twat
amused
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Quote from David Moyes last month ” small clubs like ours do not get the rub of the green that big clubs get” even the manager thinks thinks he’s in charge of a small club!
By the way Juggler how did you come to the conclusion that most LFC supporters don’t agree with Rafa? Reading and comprehension are obviously not your strong points
Barry you still haven’t acknowleged your omission from the PFA list - don’t like to be proved wrong?
Sits back and waits for obscene reply
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Amused - maybe I was just talking about the intellectual posters…
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Mr Objective, some good points made about the exit strategy, but it must be realised that any major investor will have an exit strategy at some point (even Mr Abramovich), its just in this case DIC were open about theirs (or at least open to the board, I wont speculate about who leaked the document).
And in order for DIC to make a spectacular profit on their investment one would have to assume that they would have to ensure that their investment was working and growing accordingly (i.e. winning trophies and, hopefully, the Premiership), so it would be no bad thing to want to grow the value of the club.
I suspect that Tom Hinks and Gillett will also want to grow the club, to a similar effect, and if their investment doubles or triples in value over 5 to 7 years, then they will no doubt consider their options also.
Thanks again, for an intelligent post.
Oh, and one last thing, I also found Rafa’s remarks amusing, but probably for different reasons. I’m sure he meant every word of what he said, with the only doubt about his meaning being caused by his words being obscured by the sound of his dummy being spat out :)
Mark Hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Is that supposed to offend me? What are you? 12? Typical blue nose.
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Mark, yeah that told him….. throw a stereotype back at him, show him you’re above all that…..
Gerrard Houllier
Feb 5, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Rafa Benitez inherited a good squad from me,quite capable of winning the title,just as he did when he took over a good side at Valencia,and I guess the merde bag will inherit another good squad when he peeses of to Madrid next season.
Au revoir
Your Friend
Gerrard
marks hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 4:39 pm
am going to tell the fa
El Maestro
Feb 5, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Just one question Mr. Houllier!
How come, you can´t spell your own first name?
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 5:00 pm
El Maestro,
you get the chance to ask Mr Houllier one question, so do you ask him, what he saw in Cisse, would he have kept Michael Owen, or is Essien a better player that Steve Gerrard? No, you ask him how to spell his name!
BTW Mr Houllier, is it true that you used to teach Maths at Alsops Comp on the Drive?
Mark Hobbs
Feb 5, 2007 at 5:13 pm
STJ - who said I was above all that? You don’t disguise your disdain for Liverpool fans so why should I treat Everton fans any differently? Especially ones like that ponce.
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Mark, my bad, I didn’t realise you were a nonce as well….
however, I should point out that I don’t have distain for all Liverpool fans, indeed like Emre with Martins, I even have them as friends….
tracy
Feb 5, 2007 at 6:36 pm
everton u r a small club…now get over it!!just cause u’s drew us you would think u’s had won the champions league r sumthing buy the way u’s are getting on! only 1 team in liverpool can do that and of course that is LFC! ‘who’s the most successful club in english history?’..i think you will find that is Liverpool FC!
tracy
Feb 5, 2007 at 6:39 pm
EVERTON U R A SMALL CLUB NOW GET OVER IT! just because u’s took 4 points of us u would think u’s had won the champions league or sumthing by the way u’s are getting on,….only liverpool can do that!! 1 question 4 u’s ‘whos the most successful club in english history’ …i think you will find that is the mighty LIVERPOOL FC! yeooo come on u reds!!
Sack the Juggler
Feb 5, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Hi Tracey, can’t understand why people say kopites are gobshytes, until someone like you posts that is….
George w Bush
Feb 5, 2007 at 7:38 pm
Storm in a Tea Cup.
Being blown up by some very stupid comments and media hype (got to sell their papers somehow)
But Rafa knew what he was saying, he’s repeated it. Now compares himself to Bill - Well Liverpool rejected Bill in the end - They will Rafa eventually.
Facts are Liverpool have been unable to score against a ’small’ club.
Have dropped 5 points against a ’small’ club.
Their inability to beat this ’small’ club has put paid to even the remotest chance they had of winning the league this season.
Big should beat small - shouldn’t they - they didn’t - Says a lot about Liverpool team and their manager.
Durruti
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Hmmm,
I think you’ll find the majority of Evertonians, whilst feeling the portly Francoist’s comments showed a lack of class, had a good old laugh about it, our team made him spit his dummy, job done.
Unfortunately it will probably lead to a futher deterioration of relations between the two clubs, but that’s been happening for a loooong time now.
Oh yes, my dear Red betherin, I live in Liverpool and am painfully aware of 7.5 million season ticket holders that all live in Anfield and go home and away without fail… *Does a big fuck off yawn*
Onion
Feb 5, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Just a couple of things:
Yes, Chelsea have bought the league but what should we do to compete? Not ideal but we have to have investment to level the field (in the top four anyway).
Second, Wenger had a similar moan after Everton used their 30% of possession at Arsenal to defend after a goal from a set piece. Benitez was frustrated and stated a fact that in terms of finance and fan base - Everton are a smaller club than Liverpool. Fair play to Everton though, the highlight of their season is to raise their game for the two derby matches.
Why no articles about Mourinho virtually conceding the three points before (yes, before) the match at Anfield?
Daniel Miller
Feb 6, 2007 at 12:21 am
Funny how it’s always about backbiting and trying to score points (after the match it has to be said) instead of standing up and admitting that Benitez was out of order. Try reading the national press (even the Liverpool Echo) to judge just how wrong he was to make his little point. Deal with facts - the most pertinent being that Liverpool played poorly, Everton did not. Liverpool failed on Saturday as they did back at Goodison in September. Let’s not get carried away Blues with a performance that maintains an equal record with Arsenal viz a viz The Reds - even if Arsenal are apparently (tongue firmly in cheek) a Big Club, PL, Sky, CL or history wise.
It seems far too hard for people to swallow a bit of pride and be objective about this outburst - preferring the comfort blanket of historical facts (well, the ones they want to quote anyway).
TD
John Bennet
Feb 6, 2007 at 12:27 am
Where do people get the idea that most people in LIverpool support Everton? Where is the proof? There isnt any. Go to Liverpool city centre any day of the year, and notice which clubs shirts are most in evidence. It aint Everton. What happened to the Everton shop by Central Station? The school of silence is famous for fiction, The Peoples Club’ for example, Used to be the Millionaires club. Bit of a come down. Who usually comes higher in the league, which club has achieved more? It certainly is not the Blues.
Scouse Billy
Feb 6, 2007 at 12:59 am
Tracy don’t listen to that wanker - he’s the bitterest blueshite on the web. He doesn’t know what it feels for his team to win the European Cup.
And do you know what, Tracy?
He probably never will - he’ll die bitter and twisted.
Let’s face it things don’t grow up too well in the shadows. Hey, Juggler, you sad bastard.
matt@putney
Feb 6, 2007 at 5:36 am
Im a liverpool fan for 30 years and since that tragic evening years ago - Liverpool have been in decline - but thankfully Moores has now seen the light and is prepared to stand aside - I doubt ANY football fan wants to see Americans in charge - but I say if they are given such vast amounts of money to improve the squad - I say good -
Its about time Man U as good as they are & the Chelsea Chavs have someone else to contend with -At the end of the day - Liverpool are steeped in history & trophies - something the Chelsea chavs cant describe & if we get this money I am sure we have the right manager to knock the Chavs & man u aside -
I see the 2 major football teams in the next 10 years being LFC & Arsenal.
As for Chelsea and there plebby supporters, they dont even know what is going to happen to there club tomorrow - let alone 5+ years ahead -
A world brand - I doubt it.
Maureen is going, fights at board level, fights on the training pitch & general discord thoughout the Chav camp suggests they are going to have to do alot of work before they can hit the heights of Liverpool & Man U.
Regardless of what moneys clubs have - the true quality at a club is the gaffer & Maureen is far from special *LOL*-
Let him go to an average club with basic moneys & turn them into champions - hmmmm dont see it - do you? & to the chavs - please dont go on about porto - that league is hardly the best in the world & we do witness freaky reults in football sometimes dont we?
& on the 150 - would Benitez really need to spend that much - a couple of proper world class players & I think we are there. But please - no tears chavs - you have had your “2 years” of fame & a very well done to you all - dont fret though - Football works in cycles - so just hope the next 40 years go quickly.
matt@putney
Feb 6, 2007 at 5:40 am
as for everton - a big club??? that really is funny! they are soon to be out of liverpool fullstop -
i think benitez struggles with his english & it shows really pathetic attempts by the everton players to jump on him like that - id love to see how many evertonians can speak fluent spanish -in a year - not likely huh?
but the good thing is inadvertantly Benitez got it spot on - bravo to him!
Well done Mr Benitez. considered a job in the british government?
Knight the Juggler
Feb 6, 2007 at 8:44 am
I concur fully.
Plus I just wish to add, Kopites are Gobshites and consist in the main of non-Scouse gluesniffers
Benitez will be long forgotten in a year or so after he squanders his 150 million dollars on Spanish has-beens or never were’s, oh and maybe another freaky giraffe or two. Gerard is a Ladyboy who’s only there for the money, do you redshite Scandinavians remember his ‘almost’ leaving??? Everton a small club? NO OTHER club has been in the top flight as long - END OF STORY
Sack the Juggler
Feb 6, 2007 at 9:16 am
Scouse Billy, a liar and a Gobshyte - you’re not Scouse, thats a Truro accent your using!
Sack the Juggler
Feb 6, 2007 at 9:22 am
Matt, almost a very good post mate, pity to spoil it by allowing ypur bitterness to flood through your next post.
To be honest I’ve been surprised at some of Liverpool’s signings over the last 10 years. You still have a good team, but you seem to be buying on the margins rather than diving in and making the one or two key purchases that would transform the team. For example, when was the last time you had a true 20 goals a season striker, one that could fill the boots of Daglish, Rush, Fowler, or even Owen?
Maybe the cash injection will allow you to buy that person, but I suspect that you’ve had enough money to do this for years. Maybe both Houllier and Benitez have instead concentrated on building the quantity of the squad rather than the quality, to enable them to compete on so many fronts, but its quality that helps you win the League.
Onion
Feb 6, 2007 at 10:33 am
I take your point STJ, but with a limited budget do you go for one big name or several lesser known players? Maybe caution tells you to go for the lesser players.
Dirk Kuyt, I think could fall into this category. His record prior to arriving was good and he’s scored 10 already - not bad for someone adapting to the premiership. Someone else will arrive come summer as I expect Fowler to go.
Also, who is to say you need one player that will get you that many goals. An alternative viewpoint is to have goals from everywhere on the pitch, so if that player gets injured (eg Owen at Newcastle) there is less of an impact. Just a thought.
Liverpool have suffered I think from a new managers ‘third season syndrome’ this year. With the vast change in personnel over the past two seasons and adapting to play with wingers (leaving more space at the back) I didn’t expect a title challenge this season. With investment, a couple of new faces - hopefully next year.
Jose Mourinho
Feb 6, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Liverpoo are a fucking small club with no history to be proud of compared to my chelsea you fucking peasents.
blue blood
Feb 6, 2007 at 12:13 pm
ha ha ha one question to the gobshites when are you pricks (redshite scum) going to win the league ha ha ha ha next season my arse no matter how much you invest youll still have no class you play shite football shite supporters shite team cant wait to watch you play attacking football in barca but think itll be more defensive like always small club
ps wankers ha ha 3-0
Gerrard Houllier
Feb 6, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Who said my name is spelt wrong you stupid English person,I say how I spell my name,I pick the team and for that your not playing,so there !I think that lucky booger Benitez has actually been misunderstood,just like I was over The Little Welsh One.When the papers quoted me as saying “I would like to change the way we play when Micheal is in the side” I actuallly said I hated the twitching little pr1ck.So you see it is easy for a foreign person use the wrong words in some situations.To translate from Spanish to English “I,ve spent millions and I still cant beat them blue bastards,let alone win a title”is not at all easy so we should all lay off Coach Benitez
p.s.As you can see I am doing a great job in France where the pliers understand me.
I can smell the flowers again.
Well camembert and Chateauneuf du Pape
Gerraaard(spelt correctly as it makes me sound sexy yes!)
matt@putney
Feb 7, 2007 at 1:37 am
Chelsea - Steeped in history - that is the funniest thing i have seem in a forum for 10 years!
History? what history - there is no history - a coca cup & 2 league titles is hardly the promised land is it>?
Liverpool as i said before have been in decline for years & they still manage to win the C/League & numerous other cups - something the Chavs have never experienced & i doubt ever will.
Anyone remember Maureen telling Gerrard he’d made a “Massive mistake” & “lets see who wins more trophies at the end of the day” -well by my thinking Liverpool are slightly ahead in that race. Get over it Chavs.
I for one will personally go down to Stamford bridge at the end of the season with a big piece of card - with TAXI FOR MAUREEN” on it - cant wait. can hardly F*****G wait.
As for Everton - I do think they have won the more recent trophy on merseyside - im told they held an internal competition for the ‘gormless gonk of 2007′ award - duely handed out to Philipe Neville. So who says they cant win trophys??
Again will be a wonderful day, the day the true footballing team in Liverpool - being Liverpool get to wave goodbye to all the Everton fans when there forced to leave the city cos of there finacial problems & not being able to fund a new ground in Liverpool - but - not on coaches - but on horse & cart to there new ’stadium’ which is currently a home for displaced skunks’.
Poooooooey
Sack the Juggler
Feb 7, 2007 at 9:53 am
Ah matt, I see you are of the plastic fan variety, one that measures history in terms of trophies won, so prior history doesn’t exist, or is irrelevant, so prior to the 70’s Liverpool had no history?
Bollocks, this just shows you up for the glory hunting plastic fan you are. Loads of clubs have history, even the likes of Kettering Town have history, but just because Liverpool have a more trophies, it doesn’t negate the history of less successful clubs, and neither does it preclude them from gaining trophies in the future.
LumpHead-Lampard
Feb 7, 2007 at 10:44 am
HELLO GUYS, I’M A “SMALL” SUPPORTER OF LITTLE EVERTON ASWELL. MAYBE ONE DAY WHEN I “GROW” UP I TO CAN BE MATURE & STOP SHAGGING MY MOTHER!!! GET OVER IT YOU BUNCH OF DUMD FU@KS!! DO ALL EVERTON SUPPORTERS SUFFER FROM “SMALL” PENIS SYNDROME??? YOU BUNCH OF LUMPHEADS! EVERTON SHOULD RATHER PLAY NETBALL OR SOME OTHER GIRL SPORT. GO SEE THIS SITE.
http://www.getoverit.fukoff
matt@putney
Feb 7, 2007 at 3:55 pm
nice one lamps
& s/j - liverpool have no history prior to the 70’s?
read up my friend - but amusing & entertaining post never the less - keep em coming.
but if you are in denile about this big wonderful club everton - im sure the true reds wouldnt mind welcoming you into our fold - and then you can say you have a history - failing that - ever thought about following tranmere? - i here they have reached a couple of semi finals - so that may be something you could cling onto.
and everton fans - what is you comment about the fact that soon you as a club will be leaving liverpool permenantly?
tracy
Feb 7, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Don’t worry ‘Scouse Billy’ i won’t listen 2 him..y the fuck shud i ..he’s an everton supporter!! oh an ‘blue blood’ y are u asking us wen we are going 2 win the title…i think u shud ask yourself that first as you are defo never gonna win it cause u’s r a small club! ha
Sack the Juggler
Feb 7, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Tracy - typical Liverpool fan, no honour and no class
matt@putney
Feb 8, 2007 at 3:34 am
reading up on Evertons submission to Liverpool council along with Tesco’s - i couldnt help but laughing!
Tesco plan to co-fund there stadium but putting it slap bang next to the Tescos Extra’ superstore out of Liverpool - 5 miles approx.
I can just see all the jokes that will fly around in the mould of “every little helps”
Hopefully if the council accept “Tesc-erton”s proposal they should be out of Liverpool in the next 4 years. Wooo Hooo
I always hated Tesco’s - but I have for the first time started to apprieciate there slogan -
Every little helps - I guess it does if it allows them to remove Everton from the city.
Wonder if the new Tesc-erton team will be announced when they come on to the putch by d-list celebs ? -
Either way should be fun to watch -
matt@putney
Feb 8, 2007 at 3:36 am
Sack -
Have you suffered with delusions alot in your past?
A 100% true blue fantasist.
Scouse Billy
Feb 8, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Sack -
Have you suffered with delusions alot in your past?
A 100% true blue fantasist.
matt@putney
Matt, he’s probably got a really stupid name hence STJ. Then he grew up in the shadows of our glorious past having chosen the wrong path himself. Poor chap, wot ;)
Still he’s obviously warped picking on Tracy thinking she’s easy meat. You tell him where to shove it, T
Sack the Juggler
Feb 8, 2007 at 4:40 pm
like I said… no class….
El Maestro
Feb 8, 2007 at 4:53 pm
I have to say, I almost feel sorry for tiny winy Everton! HAHAHAHAAAAA!!! ;o)
Oh I almost forgot! Wayne Rooney, that fucking psycho raging maniac kid, who plays for ManUre is a blue nose. That just shows the crappy mentality at small Everton!
Sack the Juggler
Feb 8, 2007 at 5:03 pm
El Maestro - seems to me your insults show that you are more upset by being held to a draw than you let on - you didn’t seriously think that you were finally in with a chance of the Premiership did you?
El Maestro
Feb 8, 2007 at 6:33 pm
I´m just telling the truth Sack!
Sack the Juggler
Feb 8, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Sorry mate - you went on a good run but its been years since you been able to sustain one of them
Scouse Billy
Feb 9, 2007 at 2:29 am
I run for fun, in fact I’m running now bashing away on the palm top. Love running, me. Classy pursuit it is too, Jugs ;)
matt@putney
Feb 9, 2007 at 3:28 am
your ok scouse - :)
how can we be accused of having no class by a toffee?
i think that is hilarious considering they all jumped on Rafa because he stated quite correctly that Tesc-erton are a small club - they are and forever will be - and in our shadows.
But to jump on what Rafa said knowing his english isnt quite the best yet & to do so in public really was class-less -
It shows you just how desperate the blue noses are to try and score cheap P/R points - maybe they have an internal league and a points system for the no class stakes -
Poor Poor Poor
ps - I have never thus far heard a Red critisize Moyes because no-one can understand a fucking word he says - but again - thats real class for ya! - not jumping on someones short comings.
Gerrard Houllier
Feb 9, 2007 at 9:57 am
Bonjour
I can understand Liverpools need to try and heap scorn on Everton as when I was in charge it is not possible to do the same to say Arsenal or Man Utd and now Chelsea.Those 3 can point to more recent title success and the more likely champions each season for the next 10 years will come from them.So it is only Liverpools frustration at their own shortcomings that they bleat so.Are liverpool a bigger club than Everton,certainly in financial terms but spending tens of millions to finish as an also ran is no more an acheivement to Evertons lack of spending who have finished no nearer to winning a title.Winning the title is everything,everyone else just made up the numbers,so fourth from bottom to second, its nice try but no cigar.
The recent take over by the billionaires will provide a better quality squad but not the title,3rd place above Arsenal yes, but overtake Man U and Chelsea,,not a chance.Oh yes popcorn and hot dogs at half time.
Au revoir
Mark Hobbs
Feb 9, 2007 at 12:53 pm
The everton/Tesco deal has collapsed.
Good news is Lidl are taking over the proposed scheme, a Tesco spokesman said it was for the best as everton have always been a lidl club!!
Scouse Billy
Feb 9, 2007 at 12:55 pm
It’s ADIOS to you Gerrard ;)
Scouse Billy
Feb 9, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Ha Ha Ha nice one, Mark
The LIDL Peoples Club - for LIDL people everywhere ;)
Gerrard Houllier
Feb 9, 2007 at 2:53 pm
I dont know if its true but a waiter in my local bistro in Lyon,whos chef incidentially makes the most fabulous Boullibase,which when eaten with crusty bread….. anyway I digress,this waiter said that the american monseur Gillette only bought Liverpool because his son said he wanted a cowboy outfit?
i dont know if thats true but thats what Pascal said!
heres leaking at you
Gerrard
Scouse Billy
Feb 9, 2007 at 3:12 pm
ADIOS Gerrard
Sack the Juggler
Feb 9, 2007 at 3:48 pm
is Steve G off to espania Billy?
Gerrard Houllier
Feb 9, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Bonjour Billy
Has pascal told you also?,it will be adios steve gerrard in the summer?
I haven,t laughed so much since Robbie twatted big nose in the face with a ball in training.Of course I never laughed in front of Thomo but when I got to my office I er,, how you say?? oh yes I pissed myself like a good one.
Ah happy days indeed.
How is pinnochio??
Chammy leather
Gerrard
matt@putney
Feb 9, 2007 at 5:45 pm
hello to the Tescerton dweebs -
I will briefly say that i am a journolist in london & i have connections at LFC & I can guarantee you there is absolutely no way Steven Gerrard will leave this summer - As it happens its the reverse - he had talks this week with Gillett & Hicks and he has re-affirmed his commitment to staying at Liverpool for a long time. His expression or terminology is he see’s himself as a ‘lifer’.
Possibly Xabi alonso may leave - but Steven Gerrard wont go anywhere - he is repairing his relationship with Ms Curren and he wants to stay at Liverpool & eventually get into management.
So sorry blue-noses & next time try and come up with something a tad more original.
There wont be any players leaving the pool for Barca or Madrid - it would make no sense to do so - infact if anything LFC will recruit players from those clubs and more.
I’ll have a bet with all footy fans right now - that Torres & Villa come to liverpool in the summer.
The best thing for Everton is to move out of the city asap - because you are fast becoming further & further out of touch and out of reach from the number one club in liverpool - being liverpool.
im glad im not an Everton fan - watching as the bigger team & fierce rivals build a brand new state of the art stadium in stanley park. must be gutting to watch that. But thats what happens to the ‘lesser’ teams of this world. Its a shame but facts of life i guess.
Also come the summer and have to watch the world class talent that will soon be arriving must be hard too. - but i wont lose any sleep - infact it gives me a nice big smile knowing a few blue noses are gutted at seeing there team in such decline -
Maybe think about letting your billionaire chairman know he’s a useless ****ER and tell him to get his finger out of his ass & start doing something positive for the club - because as it it now - Everton if they dont get investment will be in serious financial trouble - Not another Leeds - cos Everton arent that big - but similar finance wise.
Again Beautiful to watch. :):):):):)
matt@putney
Feb 9, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Personally id feel shamed if Everton was my club and seeing run soooo very poorly -
Cahil will probably leave to Man U in the summer - nearly happened last summer - and if something doesnt happen thats positive for the club - i can see Arteta & AJ leaving too - which would leave you with Chuckle brother neville.
Woah - watch em go!
Scouse Billy
Feb 10, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Lol, Matt, that put Jugs the wanabee journo in his place.
Who are the idiots who think say there are more unfortunates than kopites in Liverpool?
Since the 60’s they’ve always been a minority - I just think they’re getting more vocal as the pent up frustration and envy inevitably can no longer be contained.
Instead of sniping at us as we go into “warp drive” in distancing ourselves from our frankly rather embarassingly xenophobic and jealous neighbours, (can you believe the best they can come up with is telling me I’m Norwegian! &??) they should indeed look at their own “custodians”.
btw I always thought we scousers embraced people wherever they come from certainly LFC always has done but bananas and John Barnes spring to mind all of a sudden.
“The People’s Club”, my arse!!
Sack the Juggler
Feb 11, 2007 at 12:17 am
scouse billy, there you go again, re-writing history, if you were there, you will know that it was Liverpool fans throwing bananas at Barnes on his debut - oh no I forget Liverpool fans have never done anything have they?
Anyway seems your winning streak and you hearts were broken by Everton last week - back to losing ways I see.
Get back in your hole Billy boy, just accept that your still not good enough even after the many hundreds of millions spent…
Sack the Juggler
Feb 11, 2007 at 12:20 am
Matt, pleased to hear the Gerrad is prepared to make a go of it with his missus, but I fear its doomed to failure. Not sure if he’ll stay or if he’ll go, but the adios gerrard was just echoing scouse billy’s comment.
Nice to see that you are supporting your local club matt - the red devils…. :))
matt@putney
Feb 11, 2007 at 3:55 am
Juggs
How stupid are you really?
Are you serious - You ‘borke our hearts’??? trust me - tescerton is no princess diana - so try and use your words a little better
&
hundreds of millions??? - again try and use what words you have in your head with a little more aptitude - because as funny as you are to listen too - you do seem to need a few lessons at learning to construct a true sensible sentence !!!
please :)
And juggs maybe just maybe we are not good enough to win the prem this year but i think youll find were are consistently in the top four - not lurching towards the bottom.
Liverpool under Gerard hullahoop & Rafael Benitez have both won lots of trophies - something i cant remember Tescerton doing. - if im wrong could you write down in my pre-list ( supplied below) what you have won.
(1)
(2)
(3)
(4)
(5)
* if you need more space just add to those numbers*
:)
Sack the Juggler
Feb 11, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Ok matt, how much do you think you’ve spent? not net spending but total spend? How much do you think your squad is worth on paper?
Nice to see you’ve reverted to type - typical plastic fan whose history is just counted in number of trophies won, so prior to the 70’s Liverpool had no history?
Sorry Matt, but glory hunters will always support those clubs with recent success, true fans will support their club through thick and thin, and yes we’ve had a lot of thin over the last 20 years, but while you can claim some trophies, even the most plastic of fans will admit that you want the premiership more than any other.
Scouse Billy
Feb 11, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I know you’re doing your best, Jugs, but your ego really gets the better of you. So the Goodison banana throwers were evil reds trying to undermine the integrity of the Lidl Peeps Club - ha fuckin’ ha, that takes the biscuit and begs the question what are you taking, Jugs, prozac?.
Scouse Billy
Feb 11, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Oh yeah, then there was the Segers episode!!!
No what I mean, Jugs? ;)
Sack the Juggler
Feb 11, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Scouse - you clearly didn’t go to Barnes debut game at Anfield. It wasn’t against Everton, so why would evertonians be there? It was home fans throwing bananas on the pitch.
I know the same happened at Goodison, and I’m not proud of that, but unlike you I’m not trying to change history nor be hypocritical about it.
But while Everton fans have been bad, if find it ironic beyond belief to have our fans called for their behaviour by Liverpool fans - have you forgotten Hysel or even the paving stone incident in Bulgaria - hypocrisy beyond belief…
Sack the Juggler
Feb 11, 2007 at 3:06 pm
By the way Scouse - here’s an extract from Liverpools official site, you can find the full article here - although it glosses over the racism that existed in LFC fans at that time it does say;
“Disgraceful racial graffiti that had been predictably daubed upon many walls across the city in the aftermath of his arrival slowly disappeared”
So yes, it was disgraceful for the Everton fans to wind him up about his colour, but at least we hold our hands up to our disgraceful past - and don’t try to change history - unlike you, I was in Liverpool when he made his debut, I was talking to the bloke who had a fruit and veg stall near the ground, he was amazed that he had sold out of bananas early in the afternoon - I told him it was because it was Barnes’s debut game, and lots of the Liverpool fans were against him.
That incident tends to be forgotten about, especially as it was replicated by the everton fans later, and there is that famous photo of him back heeling the banana.
So stop being a hypocrite all your life Scouse - your not as great or as innocent as you’d like to beleive you are
Scouse Billy
Feb 11, 2007 at 3:29 pm
“So yes, it was disgraceful for the Everton fans to wind him up about his colour”
Jugs, I can hardly believe you wrote the above!
Sack the Juggler
Feb 11, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Scouse - see your ignoring your own failings agina and pointing out everyone elses - like I said no class and no honour
Scouse Billy
Feb 11, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Ah, Heysel. Do you really think either the club or 99.99999% (based on a minimum of 28m registered fans) of Liverpool fans should really take the blame for that?
When you do reply, Jugs, I’ll be employing my patented blueshite bullshit detector, so do proceed with care, my franchise-challenged friend. ;)
Scouse Billy
Feb 11, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Wow. You do miss the point:
calling “racism” “winding him up about his colour”.
Are you in the BNP too?
Sack the Juggler
Feb 11, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Scouse Billy - you are the definition of a gobshyte, I don’t need to prove who was responsible for Heysel, a five year ban for Liverpool is proof enough.
And if you really don’t believe that Liverpool FC has racists I suggest you read some pieces from real Liverpool fans who go to the game.
Try this one http://arsenal-mania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28135
Its on an Arsenal forum but its about Racism amonsgt Liverpool fans. Try to learn something mate, I can understand your lack of intelligence, but there’s no excuse for your ignorance
Scouse Billy
Feb 12, 2007 at 1:24 pm
And if you really don’t believe that Liverpool FC has racists I suggest you read some pieces from real Liverpool fans who go to the game
Jugs, there are racists in all walks of life. I haven’t denied Liverpool fans include some but none of us should condone it nor half excuse it with lines like “winding him up about his colour”.
Scouse Billy
Feb 12, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Heysel. I suggest you read the wikipedia article. It’s detailed and objective:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster
Here are a couple of significant paragraphs:
Built in 1930, the Heysel Stadium was outdated and, in retrospect, not a suitable venue for a match such as the European Cup Final. Large parts of the stadium were crumbling. Even at the time many felt the ground was patently unsafe for football, with Liverpool Chief Executive Peter Robinson urging UEFA to use another venue.
Some Liverpool players and supporters feel that it was wrong to entirely apportion the blame for the disaster on Liverpool supporters, and that other factors, such as the ticketing arrangements and inadequate policing, contributed to the events. The fact that there was never an official inquiry also raised eyebrows.
And yet for you, Jugs, all you need is UEFA’s punishment of Liverpool without any possibility of their own failing’s being examined.
Whatever next, Jugs? And you think I lack intelligence! If you were in Berlin in 1935 would you agree, that all the ills of the world were down to the Jews? Hopefully not but with your uncritical thought processes I would fear the worst. Try educating yourself then you’ll understand why this cynically, ignorant and libelous attitude that Liverpool fans are racists and murderers does a disservice to the dead, the bereaved, to yourself, and football in general.
rachel
Feb 13, 2007 at 2:04 pm
y are some people sayin that gerrard is trying 2 sort out everything with miss curran!! i haven’t heard anything about them not getting on and arn’t they getting married in the summer???? just curious!!
El Maestro
Feb 13, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Don´t worry Rachel. Everything´s fine between those two ;o)
All that sorting things out stuff, is just Evertonians talking jibberish!
lfcrule1972
Feb 21, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Sigh - I have only just found this site but I was hoping for more than this poorly written article, it appears that Sack The Juggler is using the Alan Green tactic of “shock jock” journalism to start of a flame of a topic….
As a Liverpool fan I am able to recognise the history of Everton and other clubs for that matter, I have watched great derby matches between our teams over the years and also some shockers, however I do feel you do yourself and the club you love no favours with this type of article.
Regards
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