Wenger has another sly dig at Chelsea
Wenger wants England to be English, he wants the Jerusalem to be sang at the start of every game and fish and chips available on every street corner, but most of all wants these dirty foreigners out of the game.
Wenger says, “I feel it is important that English clubs have English values, and that it has not just become who spends more than anybody else.”
So Mr Wegner, since when did fielding a team of complete foreigners deliver a team of English values? In searching for new ways to insult Chelsea he’s reached the bottom of the barrel …and started digging!
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126 opinions for Wenger has another sly dig at Chelsea
JamesT
Sep 29, 2006 at 11:44 am
You moron, he was talking about club ownership. The fact that you have had this knee-jerk reaction simply demonstrates that even you feel guilty about the ridiculous piles of cash Chelsea throw around to win titles.
FREELANCER
Sep 29, 2006 at 11:55 am
how much did that team of foreigners cost ?
how much did your english players cost ? (the world’s most expensive reserve swp’s ?)
get it ?
millwall with money is all you are
FREELANCER
Sep 29, 2006 at 11:56 am
another sly dig at chelsea ?
who are they ?
they ceased to exist in 2003
roman fc 2003 is what you should be called now
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 11:57 am
JamesT - Oh, I see - he was only saying that he was only worried about the state of the English game and the English squad if the ownership of the clubs wasn’t English… sorry mate if he was that worried about the English game he’d have English players in his team - this is just typical Wenger sour grapes - he’s a sad and lonely bitter man (and he even looks like he’s been sucking on a lemon)
FREELANCER
Sep 29, 2006 at 11:59 am
Sack the Juggler
how much have you paid (thus far)for your english players you fuckwit ?
The Voice
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:10 pm
So please remind us Chavski fan, who was the first Premiership club to field a complete team of foreigners ?
Errrr!
Oh I know, Chavski Chavski innit !!!
Players and managers come and go but Arsenal Football Club has always been English - can’t say the same for the South London Chavs can we.
Stuart
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:11 pm
‘Sack’ the juggler……you are a moron!!!
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:13 pm
Sack the Juggler you are an idiot! At what point did Wenger mention the England squad? After all that will never be his prioity.. He is talking about keeping an English core at the centre of English Clubs, because foreigner investors will come and go, leaving the state of English football in turmoil. If you knew anything about Arsenal, which you clearly don’t, you would undertsand that it is a very ‘English’ Club, based on English values i.e. the fact that most of the back room staff played for the Club, more so than any other Premiership Club. Without all of this foreign players will never love the Club the way that TH14, DB10 or FL8 do.
If you are going to criticise Wenger why don’t you get your facts straight and stop bringing up the same tired old arguments. And by the way, when did he refer to Chelsea at all? I think the comments relate more to the threat of an Arsenal take-over.
Richie
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:14 pm
This post has feelings of guilt written all over it. Chelsea isn’t even mentioned, it’s the takeover rumors being adressed.
adam
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:15 pm
and is he the only one worried fool?
read the papers.
didnt see him mention chelsea at all, besides,
we all know what mourinho sucks on anyway
chris
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:19 pm
So which club fielded the first all foreign team?
Er, Chelsea
Which club is 100% owned by foreigners who are laundering cash whilst making huge losses?
Er, Chelsea
Mr Wenger has a point. I’m not an Arsenal fan, but most neutrals would back Wenger against your lot any day. Sad, lonely bitter? Try Ken Bates.
Gooner
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:20 pm
Sack the Juggler? More like Sack the moron!!!
AlanF
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:20 pm
You are, in fact, a moron. Read what he said..or get a grown up to read it to you..and you will see that it’s club ownership he’s concerned about. Yes it would be lovely if the top clubs we’re 90% english on the pitch, but you could forget about ever winning in europe. Chelsea are a financial house of cards at the moment and mourinho’s comments about self sufficiency are laughable at best.
tommigooner
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:23 pm
Jesus you Bank of Chelsea boys do really feel left out and paranoid when a story comes out and you have to think it’s targeted at your club. Will you lot get over yourselves - not everything revolves around your club boys! Stop being so obsessed not everyone is talking indirectly about you - believe it or not some things can be said and it doesn’t centre around you lot.
Elliot
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Sounds to me like Mr Wenger is getting a bit scared ofthe competition.
God forbid Villa and West Ham have some money put into them and knock Arsenal down the leagues pecking order and as for Chelsea it’s just not fair everyone knows that only Arsenal and Man U are allowed to compete for the league.
Football has always been about money, even when the football league started the clubs were run by wealthy business men typically making a loss.
What Arsenal and Chelsea do seem to have in common though is that their owners do have a real passion for their club.
But as for singing Jerusalam why do what they do at internationals and get the players out and watch them sing God Save the Queen or should it be La Marseillaise? :)
Dan
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:38 pm
get with the programme U loser, report the whole story-:
“This trend (for foreign ownership) does worry me. Generally you want the clubs to be in control of their own destiny,” he said in The Mirror.
“If you suddenly have 20 foreign investors who buy 20 English clubs you are in danger.
“The manager is foreign, the players are foreign, you need to draw a line. England doesn’t control it any more.”
Wenger regularly chooses not to select any home-grown players in his starting line-ups, but he maintains that Arsenal’s English ownership will always keep the club on the right track
“I feel the soul of football in this country is first granted by the owners of the clubs,” he explained.
“Here, for example, at Arsenal I feel I am really at an English club.
“Traditionally the people who owned the clubs were first and foremost supporters.
“If that ceases to be the case then the clubs lose something.”
The fact that Arsene doesn’t buy English players is probably something to do with the technical abilty of english players and their over inflated, media-loving, book-writing, gangbanging, lash-up loving, egomaniac, self importance.
Ask yourself this question, who has special needs bought WITH RUSSIAN BLOOD MONEY to help you win the CL this year after failing with his english contingent?
Italy’s best player and Germany’s best player - English? Thought not.
Ken
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:42 pm
He wasn’t talking about Chelsea. He was talking about not wanting all 20 clubs in the premiership to be taken over by foreign owners.
It is obvious that Roman Abramovich’s money has destabilised the premiership, but that’s not what he was talking about. He’s interested in the other 19 clubs, too.
Arsene Wenger is not a sad and lonely bitter man. That comment does no good either to you or to your argument. It makes you appear petty and small-minded, so I think you should withdraw it.
LD
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:42 pm
In searching for new ways to insult Wenger you have reached the bottom of the barrel…and started digging. Wenger did not mention the national team. But then again you’re probably a lonely bitter man, you wanna watch an all English side, watch England (I dare you). Wenger is preserving the values of our club just nicely, the fact you imply foreigners do not have a value system speaks volumes for you. Might I suggest a job on the daily mail where you can whitter on about the war and the empire. Moron.
Scooch
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:42 pm
This is the first time I’ve stumbled across this website………..And I’m hoping it’ll be the last!!!
How is Wenger having a dig at Chel$ki? Yes they are run by a corrupt Russian simpleton, but at no point did HE mention that. He was talking about the wider picture of what may happen if all the English clubs are bought up by mega-rich businessmen who are loking for a quick plaything.
Man USA, Villa, Chel$ki, Portsmouth, possibly West Ham in the near future- he’s talking about all these clubs.
If he were going to have a dig at Chel$ki then he could say something along the lines of £270m spent on layers and still the football they play can cure insomnia.
I think you need to be a little less touchy and not think that if someone makes a comment it automatically means they’re berating Chel$ki!!!
Dan
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:44 pm
Perhaps by posting this worthless piece without even reporting the whole story it is you that has sour grapes and a lemon in your mouth becuase we got to the CL final last year, something you have been longing for, on a budget that Wigan would have been proud of. That you are spending Russia’s wealth on a collection of galacticos, yet you can’t get near the sort of footbal arsenal play, you will never get near the unbeaten season and you can’t seem to get to the final of the CL must really be grating you. go suck your lemon.
Joe London
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:47 pm
If the foreign clubs like Chelsea and Man Utd didn’t completely distort the market for English players, I’m sure Wenger would buy them. But £31million for Ferdidand and £21million for SWP is just irresponsible. The entire Arsenal team cost the same as these two players, and if that means shopping abroad, good on him, he’s a very clever man.
The other problem with English players is many of them are unprofessional - look at the roasting incidents, the boozing, the fighting in clubs at 3am that we only see from English players. Wenger doesn’t tolerate players that kind of behaviour, so what’s so great about having English players?
OReillyT
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:53 pm
sack the jug - Why would Arsene be bitter?? he is getting at the blatant disregard for football clubs. billionaires coming in and throwing money around and having no regard to rules because they have enough money to buy their way out (see chelsea as an example) also why would he buy english players?? 95% of them are crap , and thats being polite. look at the quality of the foreingn players at arsenal, every one of them are better than the english equivalent , and cheaper. the problem is the media builds english players up as the next big thing, then the players believe the hype, and then the player is rediculed for not being the star that was promised by the english media. forexample.. take wayne rooney, he has been hailed as the next coming of christ, the sole man that can deliver the world cup to england, which is utter shite, its not rooneys fault, its the media, the boy is a great player, but he is not as good as what the media make him to be. now look at Fabregas.. if he was English, the media wouldnt have a paper, magazine , news alert, without his name been mentioned, as they do with rooney. my point being english players are over rated, and thats why Arsenal have the least amount in the premiership
reidish
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:56 pm
I think you’ll find he was talking about speculation surrounding a high volume of trade in Arsenal plc stock. No mention of Chelsea that I can see.
You may well believe that a shameless exhibition of your many neuroses conveys a certain (rather effeminate) charm but, trust me, it can become tiresome.
Do try harder.
Dan
Sep 29, 2006 at 12:56 pm
1 shevchecko = 190 kolo touré’s
could be factor in Wneger’s thinking?
Alan
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:01 pm
I think you’ll find that Manchester United were British owned (or at least Irish) when they signed Ferdinand.
Typical Gooners with the blinkers on.
Arsehole
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:02 pm
Sack the Juggler, you are twisting the facts and degenerating what Arsene means. Arsene is talking about ownership and emphasise the importance of it. True, Arsenal’s team is mostly foreigner but the intergrity and honours remain in absolute foundation unlike Chelsea. Foreign ownership has a very huge impact on club’s future. Look at Chelsea, from decent ownership of ken Bate to muddy shaggy indecent ownership of abra and developed bad reputation for chelsea. Abra doesnt care about english spirit at all, so does Kenyon.. Anyone is aware that Arsene strive to keep English spirit by spending big on Walcott, looking to buy english left back gareth from Southapton and mostly impty maintaing attractive footballing style so that the fans will get their tickets worth. Furthermore for the past everymatches at Emirate, the crowd unexpectantly reaches around 59-60k mark. Look at Chelsea, the ticket sales are so pathetic that they had to put up for sale. its gona to end up like Juventus one of those day… English spirit exist in Arsenal’s circle. It is very clear that chelsea has no history and NO CLASS despite having vastwealth accumulated from undisclosed murky shady business in russia. I hope Ken Bate win the lawsuit against Chelsea. Furthermore Chelsea is an artificial club with plastic foundation laid waiting to be collapse.
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:06 pm
Alan it is not having blinkers on it is being economical. We don’t have a Russian Billionaire or the marketing collateral to bring in billions of pounds worht of revenue so we have had to shop on a budget. Arsenal want to reman as big a club as possible and if that means buying cheaper foregin talent then so be it. Chelsea’s money power has meant that the market has over-inflated. Arsenal can’t afford £21 million for SWP when we can get Rosicky for £7m. For a company having to run itself in a business-like and economical manner, I don’t see there is an option. That is blinkered, it is simple economics.
Fued10
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:09 pm
Before writing a stupid article understand how he said them. A few weeks ago it was said in the sun that Russian Billionairs were interested in buying Arsenal, The Board swiftly denied this and Arsene was asked about it in his press confrence (thats how the quotes came about). Also you are not the only team owend by foreigners, the likes of Pompey and man u also have foreign owners but unlike you guys they are not as paranoid and they do not believe any thing mentioned about foreign owners is directed towards them.
OReillyT
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:16 pm
i think the point he made of Ferdinand was the price paid was a total farce.. come on.. a defender priced at 30 million??.. all because he`s english.. Cannavaro is twice the defender he is, and Real got him AND Emerson for 13.5 million
shooy
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Why complain? It gave you the opportunity to have another dig at Wenger and Arsenal. He’s done you favour.
ksspoetics
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:25 pm
You guys are quite interesting. You sound really funny at times. Wenger should field English players by all means and forget about the goal of winning games and his style of play that has made Arsenal a joy to behold? Was he the one that forced Campbell to walk out of Arsenal fans last season or to make Cole, another English man to start making silly allegations because he suddely eyed the millions of pounds he was billed to get at Chelsea? And are Hoyte and Walcott Portuguese? Perhaps, you need to be told this: Arsene has brought in cunts of English players in the past, the likes of Jeffers and Wright et al. Sadly, most of the good English players are overrated and overpriced. Even Walcott came in for a stupendous amount for a 16-year old. And, for goodness sake, football is about values and not nationalities. With English players, Arsenal had the most boring players in the league before Wenger. Truth be told, English players do not have talent aside shooting and tackling. Their dribbles are more of rehearsed than natural moves. They hate the sight of the ball and are full of midemeanours. Le Boss deserves more credit than you blind folks give him
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:28 pm
For all those who were suggesting that Arsene wasn’t have a dig at Chelsea and suggesting that I read the whole article - can you please explain what he meant by the following (taken from the same article).
“That is why I said a few years ago that I wanted (Chelsea owner) Roman Abramovich to come out and say what club he wanted to build.”
so clearly not about Chelsea then… maybe rose tinted glasses allow Arsene to get away with some things, but I bet you take them off (and take away the job for life offer) if he fails to get you back in the CL this season.
And for those who think my article was a dig at Arsene - well it was, he happens to be a decent manager, but its a shame he has to spoil it be being so disingenuous. I know most managers support their players but he’s a snide who either didn’t “see it” or has sly digs at other managers (or owners)
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:33 pm
Ksspoetic - you make a great point - there is no reason for Wenger to field anyone other than who he feels is the best player in that position, and no one should tell him otherwise, but then it smacks of hypocrisy for him to tell other clubs how to manage their affairs - like I said he’s a decent manager but a disingenuous snide of a man
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:38 pm
That is the antrue of modern football, I suppose calling Wenger a voyeur was just a little joke?! He’s not snide, or disingenuous. I think you should meet him before talking about his personal characterisitcs.
He’s comments about Chelsea relate to the Arsenal take over - if a foreign investor comes in their plans should be made known. Otherwise where will it leave our clubs in 5 years time when all the foreign money, for whatever reason, is taken out of the Club? Chelsea for one are likely to go bankrupt.
Wenger may not be your cup of tea but you take great enjoyment out of personally berating him. He is a vastly intelligent and incredibly generous guy who is a credit to the premiership. Even Roy Keane thinks that. Maybe Chelsea are the ones worried as Wenger seems to be able to get quality players without paying twenty times as much for them - Cesc, Kolo to name but two.
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:39 pm
and by the way - decent doesn’t win you 4 FA Cups, 3 League titles and get you to a Champions League final on a shoe string.
Malcolm
Sep 29, 2006 at 1:59 pm
When the abomination used to be Chelsea (Gullit, Zola, Bald Italian guy), the club had the respect of the league. Not now son, not now. You can’t buy respect or love. It’s one of those universal truths you feel deep in the soul. I feel sorry for real Chelsea fans, cause they used to have a right proper club. If you would’ve won the title then, many folks would’ve been happy for you. Now, the whole of Europe looks at your club like “the girlfriend” looked at Jeff Goldblume in “The Fly”, an ugly, disfigured, pathetic beast that used to be human. Poor Chelsea, you could buy a thousand titles and still be the subject of jokes and the object of disdain. I don’t hate what is left of Chelsea, I just miss the real one!
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:03 pm
…funny you should mention the ugly, disfigured, pathetic beast that used to be Human, this whole thread was about him.
you are a morron
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:16 pm
You ARE a morron, an Idiot, whatever you wanna call yourself suits just fine. God,do we really have to read Shit like that?! read my lips asshole. you are a M O R R O N!
Malcolm
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:19 pm
“Suck the Juggler”….Wenger could very well be an ugly, disfigured, pathetic beast. However he could retire, quit, or be sacked and we would still be owned by Brits. Meanwhile your club would still be a high jacked shadow of it’s former self. You’ll still be buying titles hoping and begging the rest of Europe to respect them. It must feel horrible to have the open top parade knowing no one respects your hollow victory. When Manu won, it hurt, but I had to respect them. They worked, brought up players and bled them in, went through injuries and replaced them with players that were green, managed their budget, well you get the point. The reason why it is so hard to win the title, is that it takes all of the ingredients. When you have so much money you can field superstars regardless of who gets injured, well that’s what’s called an empty victory. I could go on my playstation and use cheat codes etc…and have an undefeated season 666 times but how would that feel? Anyways, my point was not to degrade. I just miss Chelsea. I would even support a break away club like how Manu created. It could be called “Real Chelsea” or something or other.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:20 pm
I’m the idiot? At least I can spell M O R O N! :)
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:26 pm
malcolm, I hear what you’re saying - and perhaps I did go a bit overboard with the “disfigured” bit, and while I’ve never met Wenger personally, his public face (to me) seems always to be one of complaining about the refereee, the opposition, etc. Yes he has done a great job, I just wish he’d let his actions do the talking
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:35 pm
From the girl’s perspective, I’d much prefer Arsene to Jose - at least his head is not perpetually up his arse. Wenger is intelligent, quick witted and funny, jealous of that Sack the Juggler?
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:38 pm
You just like the accent - its a chick thing
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 2:42 pm
Not really - I’m more keen on the German accent thanks
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Must admit, had a great time in Germany at the world cup - Ich liebe die schönen deutschen damen!
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Don’t you start - I’m a sucker for the German lingo hence my aspiration to one day be Frau Mad Jens
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:10 pm
Don’t worry, I must admit to having a thing for Russki (not because of Roman, but because I once worked in St Petersburg - I think its a wonderful language), and also Svenska (my wife is swedish!)
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Maybe that’s why I like Wenger - the Strasbourg French is very Germanic
imbacc
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:30 pm
sack the juggler - more like castrate the juggler people this stupis should not be allowed to reproduce
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:32 pm
^ I’m with stupis….
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Laura - don’t let Mad Jen’s hear you talking like that!
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:37 pm
He likes a bit of competition
Fishcome
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:41 pm
Truth .. the footballing community outside UK does not give any respect to Chelsea. I dun see any of them from at least from my 1.2billion population.. Who is Chelsea.. Go and sleep with a frog.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Fishcome - good name, it suits you… anyway, I’m well impressed that you know all of your 1.2 billion neighbours, must get a bit stressful trying to decide who’s birthday parties to go to, and Christmas must be a nightmare!
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:51 pm
Laura - ok, I admit it I’m Jens Lehman, I only started this thread because I heard you fancied Arsene and I my competetive streak made me want to dis him…
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 3:57 pm
Thought so - just another madcap stunt from the most delectable of goalkeepers.
Anyone trying to criticise JL will get the full force of my wrath and that ain’t pretty. Slagging off AW, in my opinion, one of life’s true gents, isn’t much better.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 4:00 pm
Laura - I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you about AW, …and I’m just too afraid to dis JL
Laura
Sep 29, 2006 at 4:06 pm
You can disagree with me but the facts don’t lie. I meet AW on a regular basis and due to my job meet a lot of the other premiership managers too. He is a fantastic guy. He’s incredibly polite, very funny and has a genuine love for the game. Above all he is very modest which takes some doing in modern football.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 4:19 pm
Laura, you have the advantage over me in having met the man personally, so I’ll take your word (you seem a trustworthy sort) on how he is in private. As I say, I only have his public face to go on, and maybe its all just part of the games he (amongst others) plays, but he doesn’t come across as well in public as he obviously does in private.
Next time you see Harry Redknapp, can you say the Juggler says hello - oh, and the money is in the usual place?
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 4:21 pm
P.s. the only job I can think of that involves meeting a lot of premiership managers is… a judge? either that or a journalist, charity worker, agent or lap dancer?
Eddy
Sep 29, 2006 at 4:53 pm
Glen Johnson,SWP,Scott Parker,Wayne Bridge etc etc etc all purchased for more than a grand total of over £50 million to warm the bench by Mourinho.Name me one English player he has bought that hasn’t become a bot part player,you are a Chelsea mug who hasn’t done his homework as Wenger was talking about ownership prick not the players,and as usual you display the mentality of a lot of your fans who are still chucking celery about and doing the moonstomp to Bad Manners….no class and no fans(why did you get 32000 for The CL game,wasn’t the site of Shevchenko and Ballack good enough for you?).Do your homework next time,nobody outside your club respects you,”your just a small club with money”and atleast Jack Walker was a life long Blackburn fan unlike your bent owner who looked at buying several other clubs to park his ill earned gains.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:02 pm
Eddy, put your bib on mate, you’re dribbling again, lots of class in your reply i see….,
and talking of doing your homework, you clearly haven’t read Wenger’s full interview properly, maybe if you took off your rose tinted glasses you could see how ironic it is that he beleives that English Ownership would help protect English values.
Good point about his English players warming the bench though - do you think Cole will get a game?
Alan
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:18 pm
Come on STJ you Chavski b*stard(!) get off the fence and tell us what you really think about Whinger :-p
I saw a comment about shoestrings somewhere up above in connection with the Goons and wanted to laugh hysterically at it. Wenger didn’t do it all on free transfers dear, Bergkamp was £7.5m signing ten years ago, Henry cost over £10m, Reyes cost a reported £20m, add in the multitudes of other signings around the £4/5/6m mark and you’ll amass a king’s ransom in no time.
Don’t let’s rewrite history and paint the ‘orrible Goons as football’s Cinderella please.
Alan
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:21 pm
And before any Goon starts I know that Bergkamp was bought under Bruce Rioch but Wenger got the majority of his career out of him.
Alan
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:28 pm
Ok, bored though I am I went and totted up the spending under Wenger (figures from http://www.soccerbase.com) and it reaches an astronomical £151.2m. Shoestring you Gooners say? Diamond encrusted, pure gold thread shoestring maybe.
Eddy
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:35 pm
Alan have a quick tot up of his sales try Anelka,Overmars and Petit just the odd £60 million however nice try.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:35 pm
Hi Alan, I must admit, when I hear Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool fans moaning about Chelsea’s spending under Mourinho, I think of how all the rest of the Premiership teams were the poor relatives of the “big three” before Abramovich came along. They’re just whinging about getting a taste of their own medicine!
Asphalt Jungle
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:41 pm
Alan, you don’t need to speculate how much Wenger has spent during his 10 years. The BBC just had a look back and published this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5382412.stm
£160m spent, £115m received, £45m net spending in 10 years
The likes Chelski have more net spending than that in a season. ManUre does that in 2. Even Newcastle and Spurs had more net spending than that the past 10 years.
Eddy
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Dear Mr Sweaty Sacky I notice you failed to respond to a couple of my inconvenient questions
a)would you please tell me why you failed to fill your ground for your CL game the other day and please don’t use the excuse that people can’t affford the prices as you lot seem to hark on about the fact that you are a glamour club that is in the heart of the weathiest part of London however I have a couple of issues with this deluded image as you were in the second division with as shit hole of a half full ground with electric fences and police horses on the pitch,and you were bought for a £1 by ‘orrible Ken Bates,all sounds very glamorous.
b)would you please discuss class without now spitting your dummy out.
Eddy
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:44 pm
Alan you’ve gone quiet
Eddy
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Sacky we can live to our budget ie revenue in against spending actually means something whereas you classless mugs don’t get it noone admires what youv’e achieved because you can’t afford it.
Barcelona,Man Utd,Real Madrid etc have built huge fan bases and can afford to buy players in £25 million bracket as some of them attract over 80,000 whereas you mugs get 32,000 and then we have to put up with that wanker Peter Kenyon saying you are aiming to break even in 4 yrs etc yeah right and Dougy Rougvie was a class defender.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 29, 2006 at 5:54 pm
Hi Eddy, you still here? I’m off to the pub now, but in answer to your questions before I go:
a) no idea mate - but then again you didn’t have a full house either….
and by the way, you shouldn’t be jealous just because a club has risen from the ranks, you can’t win it every year you know!
b) You’re the one discussing class and your words show your class far more eloquently than I could…..
Asphalt Jungle
Sep 29, 2006 at 6:07 pm
Arsenal has sold out every game this season, none of Arsenal games have gone to general sale and had to resort to advertising in newspapers and giving away CL tickets outside tube stations. If you’re talking about attendance, yeah there have been games like Sheffield and Porto with about 500 no shows of people who bought tickets but couldn’t make it for whatever reason. At the end of the day Arsenal made the money from that ticket sale whether they attended or not. You lot didn’t have 10k no shows, they just couldn’t move the tickets because even your own fans don’t want to see that snoozefest regardless of how much they win.
Eddy
Sep 29, 2006 at 6:11 pm
Dear Alan your still very quiet.
Dear Sacky a)the crowd was 59,300 on Tuesday and our ground holds 60,000 so the 700 people who didn’t show were probably season ticket holders who were sunning themselves in St Lucia etc.
b)have a good drink how is Croydon on a Friday,just a wild stab in the dark….
C)Iam off and won’t bother to check to see if you’ve spilt kebab all over your keyboard trying to justify ridiculous remarks such as “risen through the ranks”…what you didnt win the League for 55 years then coincidently won it by spending half of Russia’s natinal debt…pull the other one.
Bob the Gooner
Sep 29, 2006 at 6:55 pm
Alan….you have been properly seen off son,I have read the facts behind Arsene’s spending in his 10 year period and it works out that he spends a whopping £4.5 million a year whereas you mugs pay that to Frank Arneson to teach the young boys per year.When was the last time Chelsea made £20 milion on a player,try Overmars and Anelka,as I said seen off prick.
joseph
Sep 29, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Oi mate. you said that Wenger has reached the bottom of the barrel and started digging……the point is that he is more likely to find a raw diamond and polish it to turn it into a superstar. and then sell it for loadsa money when he it is past its peak. he doesn’t have a chairman who shits money into a golden toilet and scooping it up with his hands ok sour grapes
Harry
Sep 30, 2006 at 12:20 am
Arse fans are pathetic. Keep criticizing Chelsea and RA money, yet you are blind to see the name of Arse new stadium is Emirate. So Mr. Wegner is worried about foreign investment and its influence on premier league! Kettle, pot and hypocrisy.You Arse fans really take the cake.
JamesT
Sep 30, 2006 at 2:38 am
How many times does it have to be said, Wenger is not talking about investment or players - he is talking about OWNERSHIP! That means a foreign company taking over a club for purposes entirely unrelated to football, ie. money - and then dumping it. When Abramovic gets bored or banged up and Chelsea are back where they belong - a shitty little West London club no bigger than Fulham - perhaps you’ll understand what he’s getting at.
Asphalt Jungle
Sep 30, 2006 at 3:15 am
Yeah maybe pathetic, but certainly not as stupid and lacking logic as you. Emirates Airline didn’t buy a piece of Arsenal Football Club. They didn’t even buy a piece of the stadium, they purchased naming rights … it’s a sponsorship deal you ninny, not ownership. Learn the difference before making yourself look stupid.
KY
Sep 30, 2006 at 7:56 am
Even as a spurs fan i’m in a position to tell you that even though i hate gooners..
There simply is no way that Arshole Wanker would (or should) pay £20+ million for english reserve players like SWP’s etc..
You Chelski fans can’t see the wood from the trees i’m afraid - deluded is just one word i call 90% of you glory hunters
Put simply 99.9% of your success is down to one man and one man alone - Roman Abromavitch - that will NEVER change whilst he is charge i’m afraid
You can say what you like about the gooners,liverpool,man united,spurs etc but at least we’re STILL a proper football clubs not a plaything being subsidised by the russian people
You earn respect,class and history - As this modern day Chelsea are finding out…you cannot BUY it !!
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 9:02 am
Eddy, good morning mate - hope you had a good night.
a) don’t you mean Benadorm mate?
b) croydon is shit on a Friday night, in fact any night, but the closest I’ve every lived is Beckenham mate - don’t even live in the country now!
c) I meant that Chelsea rose through the ranks to get back into the Premiership. No doubt having a rich owner has helped Chelsea, but its also help many other clubs over the years, Chelsea have just made the most odf the investment.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 9:12 am
JamesT - but the point he was trying to make about foreign ownership is that is takes the Englishness out of the club, and the whole point of this thread (although its been hijacked in several places along the way - mainly by Eddy) is that Wenger is the last person to complain about taking the Englishness of out a club.
That’s my point - I know he’s a good manager, I’m even prepared to be persuaded by Laura that he’s a nice guy (in private), but its hypocritical of him to slag of Chelsea for a lack of Englishness.
I suspect he knows this, as he is (as Laura points out) an intelligent man, so its probably a way of winding up Chelsea even further as they know that he’s the last person who should criticise any club on its Englishness.
(I suspect that Abramovich is also seeking British citizenship so maybe the digs go even deeper)
Bob the Gooner
Sep 30, 2006 at 9:50 am
Dear Mr sweaty Sacky the very reason that the football population despises Chelsea is that as the Spurs fan so poignantly put it you cannot see the wood for the trees.Arsenal football club are in a position where they cannot at present due to financial constraints placed upon us afford to buy expensive English players so we have to put our faith in Arsene Wenger to produce miracles like a back line that reads Lehman(£1 million),Eboue(£250,000)Djourrou(£500,000)Toure(£500,000)and Gallas(you paid us £5 million to take one of the best defenders in the World while we gave you a classless chav).Wenger has openly stated that he would love to buy the English players that he considers worth the transfer value that they are touted around at eg Wayne Rooney was probably worth fairly close to his price of £28 million but we simply cannot afford it.What grates every Arsenal fan is the sheer lack of class that your club portrays eg when SWP came up for sale Arsenal bid £12 approx for a good,talented English player and Man Utd bid slightly more however you classless twats bid nearly double that amount to sit him on the bench,why bid £23.5 million when £16 will secure his signature ,then you have the front to talk to Arsenal fans about upholding the English values when youv’e sold your club to a Russian criminal who fleeced their country of billions of roubles because his high connections.You state that plenty of other clubs have done what youv’e done,I don’t think so,the likes of Man Utd,Liverpool,Real Madrid,Barcelona etc attract enermous revenue from gates and merchandising,do you?The only comparison I can draw from your beahviour financially is Blackburns and like I said before Jack Walker was a life long fan with a little more class than Roman so I forgive him for buying the Premiership for his boyhood club.Please tell me if Iam losing the thread here and please do name these other clubs that have bought the League like you have.
Bob the Gooner
Sep 30, 2006 at 10:01 am
Sacky are you going to the decent thing and jump on your sword like your pals who have come up ill reseached comments re spending and naming rights or do we all have to listen to the ridiculous arguements that Chelsea are doing what many teams have done in the past,we’re all jealous,we’re not spending that much,Peter Kenyon is a nice,honest bloke,we would have won the League anyway without Roman’s cash,Lampard’s not fat,Drogba is worth £23.5 million,there was nothing dodgy in the Mikel deal,Robin doesn’t look 10 years older than he is etc etc etc
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 10:05 am
Sob the Gooner - your comments just reflect the jealousy that Wenger feels towards having access to the money you don’t have. Are you telling me that all these all you Gooners would be taking to the streets in protest of a Russian billionaire taking over your club?
Would you Bollocks! You’d be saying to your major shareholders (such as Danny Fiszman) “Get back to Belgium, you’ve done a good job but its time to move on mate”
imbacc
Sep 30, 2006 at 10:05 am
pardon my typo early juggler’s sack - honest mistake, unlike you who intention is to post what you write - if you just sat down at your keyboard and randomly hit keys we could accept that you will once in a while write a load of rubbish. But you plan to write the nonsense you post. A little hint - think you before you write.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 10:13 am
imbacc - no need to apologise mate - you can’t help being the way you are. But going back to what I posted (if you can remember that far back) despite all the gooners and the spuds showing their jealousy by going on about the money (as did Wenger by the way), when it comes down to it Wenger was, no matter how much you want to protect him, having a sly dig at Chelsea. Fact!
But it was him who should have done a biut of research - his major shareholder is the son of a Belgium immigrant, so all this johnny foreigner rubbish must have really embarassed him.
And before anyone goes on about he’s English, it was only his parents that were foreign, well that just sounds like the worst kind of racism there is (Yeah mate, we’ll have your money but not your parents!)
Sorry lads but in his interview Wenger is being a complete knob.
red
Sep 30, 2006 at 10:33 am
listen to yourself sack
“Are you telling me that all these all you Gooners would be taking to the streets in protest of a Russian billionaire taking over your club?”
answer ?
yes we fucking would you absolute tit !!
AFC belongs to us - There is no way that a club the size of arsenal and it’s supporters would sit back and just let a russian who we knew fuck all about take over the club we’ve all supported threw thick and thin.
furthermore you complete cunt we’re not jealous of you - we’ve always been much bigger than chelsea nd we’ll continue to be far far bigger than you - in fact you’re not even the 2nd biggest club in london..spurs are
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 10:39 am
another Arsenal fan showing his class…..
Alan
Sep 30, 2006 at 12:00 pm
Seen off? Maybe I’ve got a life unlike you ass pirate Goon scumbags and actually move away from my PC on a Friday night.
My figures add up, A*sehole W*nker has spent £150m in his time at the Goons, money may have been brought in but you’ve still been big spenders whichever way you cut it.
Typical sadsack Goons, always the innocent victims and always ready to show just how classy you are with your comments above i.e. not at all.
Maybe, like STJ says, you don’t, in the words of Dad’s Army, “like it up you” although with Freddie the Skunk still on your books maybe that’s not quite true either… ;-)
imbacc
Sep 30, 2006 at 12:16 pm
Juggler’s sack - I wasn’t apologising for the way I am - just the typo.
But since you are struggling to talk about facts - Ken Friar is English - FACT. Wenger does believes ownership of English clubs is better off in English hands another fact.
What you are claiming has nothing to do with fact but supposition. Just like your loud mouth manager claimed but had no facts to support it that Wenger was a voyuer. It appears that everyone at Chelsea is so paranoid about Arsene Wenger. One would think if you were so happy you would really care. So ask yourself these questions Sack - are you really happy with the regime at Chelsea? Would you be happier with English ownership - Why are you so worried about what Wenger says - are you gripped by the same paranoia which seems to be permeating throughout your club? I suppose you could be - but I can’t say for fact that you are.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 12:55 pm
imbacc - since you like facts so much (or should that be FACTS because capitals make them look much more real!), perhaps you should check out who actually owns the club. As of September 2006 Danny Fiszman is the biggest shareholder, he owns over 25% of the club.
His parents were Jewish immigrants to the country (bet Spurs fans love that), and he made his money from diamonds (I wont say its dodgy money because unlike you I’m not prepared to slag off someone just because they are a self-made millionaire).
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 1:05 pm
Imbacc(ile) - to turn your own wards against you - why is Wenger worried about who owns other clubs? he should still to what he knows, finishing runner up to Chelsea, no wonder he is paranoid about them
Ollyski
Sep 30, 2006 at 1:20 pm
Please, if you are going to be pose as a Chelea supporter, think before you make silly rash conclusions.
It makes us all look like d1cks.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 1:28 pm
Hi Olly, great contribution….. think you need to get back on the happy pills mate
imbacc
Sep 30, 2006 at 1:33 pm
my bad sack - your right fizman not friar
you see how easy it is to say your wrong.
Now you accuse me of slagging off how your owner made his money - when I never did. You see why I think you are paranoid? How did your owner make his money? And do you have problems with Jews? Many of your comments increasingly make you look like you have serious problems. Are you xenophobic?
I am sure you meant to say turn my own “words” against me - but I understand that was a typo from you. And lowering your self to name calling is what I am coming to expect from you and to do it so poorly is befitting on someone who is such a intellectual lightweight.
But to address your point, Wenger wasn’t worried about your club - he was asked a question by a journalist and gave an honest answer to him. It was you who decided that it was a dig at your team. Again I think it was you who were worried. Why?
So you see it falls back onto your narrow shoulders Sack. You made a claim you cannot substantiate. Pure supposition - no proof. Paranoid. You are behaving more and more like your club every comment. Keep up the good work you should have something to be really paranoid about soon.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 1:49 pm
sorry imbacc my bad - didn’t meant to accuse you of racial prejudice, just some of your gooner mates.
you seem to missing facts left right and centre imbacc - but just to show you that unlike you I’m happy to do my research, I’ll go to his interview and copy the comments where he has specifically mentions chelsea’s owner.
“That is why I said a few years ago that I wanted (Chelsea owner) Roman Abramovich to come out and say what club he wanted to build. ”
imbacc - I’ve answered every question you’ve asked me, but you keep coming up with more wild allegations about me. I don’t think I’ll bother responding to your future comments, its clearly not fair of me to enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
imbacc
Sep 30, 2006 at 2:02 pm
Sack
How is that quote a dig at your club? A question that was never going to get an answer is hardly a dig at your club. I wonder how many Chelsea fans have asked that same question and hopd they would get an answer.
I am gload to see you are finally giving in to an unarmed man - just goes to show what a lightweight you are.
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Imbacc - no grace in defeat I see …just like Wenger ;)
Donjohnni
Sep 30, 2006 at 3:29 pm
Foreigners can have English values you fool. It’s called respect.
Bob the Gooner
Sep 30, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Alan, at present you are probably chucking celery around whilst doing the moonstomp at Stamford Bridge,so if you call that having a life good luck(that’s if you could be bothered to turn up unlike the CL game the other day,32,000 how very embarrassing) whilst I like many other Arsenal fans cannot get to watch us away from home as demand outstrips supply.Talking of supply and demand you don’t seem to very financially astute as if you sell £105 million worth of product and spend £150 million in 10 years that makes your net spending £4.5 million per year so your point is Arsenal are a big spending club but at the same time a big selling club?However way you try and twist the facts no club in the history of the Premiership has been run on such a tight
financial budget whilst achieving so much……
Veron £18 million sent out on loan
Mutu £17 million sacked after a drugs test adminstered by his own club and consequently received zippo in return
Crespo £18 million sent out on loanno return on investment
my dear poor deluded Alan that is just the tip of the iceberg so please don’t compare our spending patterns with yours,as I said if you had an ounce of intelligence you would realise you had been seen off but instead resorted to the lowest common denominator with the scum bag goon,Arsene W****** etc comments,which don’t win any arguements and only serve to make you look like an ignorant Burberry wearing,earinged up,Fiesta driving Chavski mug.
Bob the Gooner
Sep 30, 2006 at 4:13 pm
Dear Alan please read an inwardly digest,Van Persie £3 million
Drogba £23.5
mmmmmmm get your thick,Burberry cap wearing,earinged up,gum chewing,MacDonalds eating head round that or are you too busy working out left from right?
Sack the Juggler
Sep 30, 2006 at 4:24 pm
Donjohnni - well said mate, good to see not everyone disrespects Roman
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 12:52 am
What does Fiszman have to do with Roman? Roman is a Russian, plain and simple. Fiszman was born in England, therefore he’s as English as any other born there. He can’t go back to “his country” because “his country” is England and he’s already there. Now Roman can easily go back to his own country and probably will when Putin gets sick of him and banishes him to Siberia. You wouldn’t be able to field a proper national team if the only English players you could field were those who’s parents and grandparents are also English. So quit that stupid Chavski logic … trying to strip Fiszman of his place of birth. Your logic is so flawed, you shouldn’t waste time bloggin until you get some.
Harry
Oct 1, 2006 at 2:10 am
Now true football fans understand that the entire Arse club and its fans are racist. Proof is in the pudding: Fiszman is English and RA is Russian. Arse fans who accuse others being stupid, are yet to grasp the notion that sponsorship is a form of an investment. Like it or not Emirates stadium has an element of foreign ownership in it. Entire Mr. Wenger argument is flawed with insincerity and jealousy. Last year when West ham manager “Pardew” said that Arsenal is not an English team, Wegner was incensed and argued that we do not look at the passport in Arsenal FC. Kettle, pot, and hypocrisy.
Sack the Juggler
Oct 1, 2006 at 11:13 am
well done Asphalt Jungle - as Harry says you’ve just proved how twisted your logic is. Under Wenger’s logic you would accept Fiszman’s money but not his parents….
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:29 pm
Again lacking logic. Go back to all my posts, I never mentioned anything about ownership and their nationality until I responded to your inane claims that Fiszman is somehow like Roman and is actually not English, thus making Wenger’s claims about Arsenal being owned by English people wrong. So I had to prove you wrong because claiming that children of immigrants aren’t citizens of the countries they were born in is patently racist BNP crap … like that Le Pen guy in France who complains about the national team. I don’t care who owns Arsenal as long as they care about and love Arsenal, same for Wenger. Roman didn’t care about Chelsea, you were one of many teams he was willing to buy as long as they qualified for champions league football. He doesn’t even care about the Premiership, what got him interested in football was the Champions League, the football that he loves.
Earlier you brought up a quote where Wenger says Roman should reveal his intentions. Well that’s what Wenger is talking about, English or Foreign they need to love the clubs they own and not see them as an “opportunity”, it’s much easier to know the intentions of an English owner because he’s there and you know what they are about. Moreso than it is to know the intentions of some guy who made his money pillaging Russian and was an unknown until he started splashing his money around. Our board/owners are fans first and foremost. Arsenal has many fans around the world and if one of them becomes filthy rich and wants to buy the team that they love, I’m all for it and Wenger would be too because he would know they loved the club. I would be disappointed if any future Arsenal owner isn’t a fan of the club first and foremost and it would be much easier to find rich English people that are Arsenal fans than it would be to find rich foreigners who are, so it’s a matter of “the odds”.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:34 pm
and Harry,
so Samsung owns Chelsea, AIG with Man United, Benq with Real Madrid, Tamoil with Juventus, Bwin with Milan, Mansion with Spurs. I guess we’ve been sold by JVC to Sega then to O2 and now Emirates. Get outta here with that nonsense. Emirates purchased sponsorship rights on our stadium name and shirt. Sponsorships expire, ownership doesn’t.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:37 pm
I don’t know about the character limits on posts here, so I’ll break this up since I made this post before the one I made at 4:34 pm and it didn’t show up, so I’ll try again …
Again lacking logic. Go back to all my posts, I never mentioned anything about ownership and their nationality until I responded to your inane claims that Fiszman is somehow like Roman and is actually not English, thus making Wenger’s claims about Arsenal being owned by English people wrong. So I had to prove you wrong because claiming that children of immigrants aren’t citizens of the countries they were born in is patently racist BNP crap … like that Le Pen guy in France who complains about the national team. I don’t care who owns Arsenal as long as they care about and love Arsenal, same for Wenger. Roman didn’t care about Chelsea, you were one of many teams he was willing to buy as long as they qualified for champions league football. He doesn’t even care about the Premiership, what got him interested in football was the Champions League, the football that he loves.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:44 pm
(cont.)
Earlier you brought up a quote where Wenger says Roman should reveal his intentions. Well that’s what Wenger is talking about, English or Foreign they need to love the clubs they own and not see them as an “opportunity”, it’s much easier to know the intentions of an English owner because he’s there and you know what they are about. Moreso than it is to know the intentions of some guy who made his money pillaging Russian and was an unknown until he started splashing his money around. Our board/owners are fans first and foremost. Arsenal has many fans around the world and if one of them becomes filthy rich and wants to buy the team that they love, I’m all for it and Wenger would be too because he would know they loved the club. I would be disappointed if any future Arsenal owner isn’t a fan of the club first and foremost and it would be much easier to find rich English people that are Arsenal fans than it would be to find rich foreigners who are, so it’s a matter of “the odds”.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:46 pm
Why is the first part of my post now showing up, this is bullshit. There is suppose to be a post before 108, actually 107 should have been my last post. Anyway, I’ll try to trick this crappy system and post what I intended to post in its entirety.
Again lacking logic. Go back to all my posts, I never mentioned anything about ownership and their nationality until I responded to your inane claims that Fiszman is somehow like Roman and is actually not English, thus making Wenger’s claims about Arsenal being owned by English people wrong. So I had to prove you wrong because claiming that children of immigrants aren’t citizens of the countries they were born in is patently racist BNP crap … like that Le Pen guy in France who complains about the national team. I don’t care who owns Arsenal as long as they care about and love Arsenal, same for Wenger. Roman didn’t care about Chelsea, you were one of many teams he was willing to buy as long as they qualified for champions league football. He doesn’t even care about the Premiership, what got him interested in football was the Champions League, the football that he loves.
Earlier you brought up a quote where Wenger says Roman should reveal his intentions. Well that’s what Wenger is talking about, English or Foreign they need to love the clubs they own and not see them as an “opportunity”, it’s much easier to know the intentions of an English owner because he’s there and you know what they are about. Moreso than it is to know the intentions of some guy who made his money pillaging Russian and was an unknown until he started splashing his money around. Our board/owners are fans first and foremost. Arsenal has many fans around the world and if one of them becomes filthy rich and wants to buy the team that they love, I’m all for it and Wenger would be too because he would know they loved the club. I would be disappointed if any future Arsenal owner isn’t a fan of the club first and foremost and it would be much easier to find rich English people that are Arsenal fans than it would be to find rich foreigners who are, so it’s a matter of “the odds”.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:48 pm
See post #108, posted at 4:44 pm, well this is suppose to be before that and it’s why it starts with (cont) because it was suppose to be continuing from this, but this comment system is a mess:
Again lacking logic. Go back to all my posts, I never mentioned anything about ownership and their nationality until I responded to your inane claims that Fiszman is somehow like Roman and is actually not English, thus making Wenger’s claims about Arsenal being owned by English people wrong. So I had to prove you wrong because claiming that children of immigrants aren’t citizens of the countries they were born in is patently racist BNP crap … like that Le Pen guy in France who complains about the national team. I don’t care who owns Arsenal as long as they care about and love Arsenal, same for Wenger. Roman didn’t care about Chelsea, you were one of many teams he was willing to buy as long as they qualified for champions league football. He doesn’t even care about the Premiership, what got him interested in football was the Champions League, the football that he loves.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:50 pm
I’m going to keep posting this until it shows up, if you have to clean up the mess later then so be it, but the first part of my post must show up here because I’m not running away from what you wrote.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Again lacking logic. Go back to all my posts, I never mentioned anything about ownership and their nationality until I responded to your inane claims that Fiszman is somehow like Roman and is actually not English, thus making Wenger’s claims about Arsenal being owned by English people wrong. So I had to prove you wrong because claiming that children of immigrants aren’t citizens of the countries they were born in is patently racist BNP crap, like that Le Pen guy in France who complains about the national team. I don’t care who owns Arsenal as long as they care about and love Arsenal, same for Wenger. Roman didn’t care about Chelsea, you were one of many teams he was willing to buy as long as they qualified for champions league football. He doesn’t even care about the Premiership, what got him interested in football was the Champions League, the football that he loves.
Mike
Oct 1, 2006 at 5:01 pm
EVERYONE LISTEN TO ME
Sack the Juggler
Oct 1, 2006 at 5:07 pm
Asphalt nice try but you’ve already proved you’re the racist and a card carrying member of the BNP. I never said Fiszman wasn’t English, I said his parents weren’t.
Like I said above, YOU’RE the one who is saying that you don’t want his parents to be owners of the club, but you’re quite happy for their son to be an owner because he was born in England and is therefore acceptable to you.
You can try to turn it around if you like, but you’ve been busted as a racist by your words.
Asphalt Jungle
Oct 1, 2006 at 6:20 pm
Like I said go back to my posts and find where I mentioned anything about Fiszman and his family until you tried to go all BNP and claim he wasn’t an Englishmen because his parents were immigrants. I’m waiting …
That’s why I even mentioned that you wouldn’t field a national team if the requirement was only Englishmen who’s parents and grandparents were also English. Which you seemed to be advocating by trying to rob Fiszman of his birth right. Yeah that’s very BNP of me. No you are the idiot coming off like Le Pen in France and the BNP in England by trying to argue that Fiszman and Roman are one in the same.
And if his parents are Arsenal fans and had the money I would have no problem with them owning the team. They’ve been in England since WWII for christ sake and are more than likely citizens (if still alive). They are (or were) very much so English. Thierry says he plans on living in England after his career is over, Bergkamp said the same thing. If those guys want to buy into Arsenal I would jump for joy because they are Arsenal through and through. At one point they were foreigners, but they have fully immersed themselves into the culture and will continue to do so. That’s what it’s about and if Roman had noble intentions as a long time Chelsea fan, no one would have a problem with him, but he couldn’t tell the difference between Chelsea and Fulham back in 2002. He has no values when it comes to knowing Chelsea’s history, more over knowing the English game and caring about it. That’s what Wenger is talking about because you can’t name one of these new owners who are splashing the cash who genuinely cared about these clubs even 6 months prior to their interest in buying. That’s not good for the league.
Eddy
Oct 2, 2006 at 8:15 am
Alan,I notice that you failed to respond to my detailed analysis of Wenger’s net spending….as I said seen off.
SammyNelsonsPants
Oct 3, 2006 at 12:43 am
STJ - you really are a fuckwit, arent ya. So, Fiszmans dad ( or whoever, I really dont care) is an immigrant. That makes Fiszman ENGLISH. Like my dad is english, though my grandad is not. Abramovich is RUSSIAN. Do you maybe see a difference there?
And actually, IF Arsenal were sold to a criminal who had destroyed the lives of millions, ( which would never happen, given Bracewell-Smith and the Hill-Woods) no, I would NOT be happy. In fact, it might be the only thing that would make me stop supporting the club.
I most certainly wouldnt brag about on the net. Lets break it down. The people of Siberia have been murdered, enslaved and robbed for generations. Thats MILLIONS of people, starving in sub zero winters cos they got no food, and no way to heat their homes. Now, RA comes along. Dont tell me hes legit, its not possible to make that money from a zero start in one lifetime ( and it was a zero start, his family were jews under communism). He puts £300 million into the club, and guess what, the team start winning. Next time ya down at the bridge, why dont you think about those kids, freezing and starving, whilst the wealth of their land pays for Ashleys next Bentley, and your next title. If you can sleep at nights, and still defend RA, with that in mind, you deserve to go join them.
Cunt.
Sack the Juggler
Oct 3, 2006 at 7:53 am
Sammy Nelson Pants & Asphalt Jungle, I know its difficult for you to comprehend this, but if you read my posts you will see that I never said that Fiszman wasn’t English, I said his parents weren’t, and therefore by your logic they are not good enough for Arsenal.
Its you two that are then making the ASSUMPTION that I’m saying that, by association, Fiszman himself isn’t English. The only reason you are making this assumption is that you are racists, and you think that I’m having a go at him, by suggesting he’s not English, and being English is so important to you that you didn’t actually read what I said.
Asphalt Jungle, I expect that when you read my posts again, you will understand what I meant, SammyNelsonPants - get someone to read it for you…
SammyNelsonsPants
Oct 3, 2006 at 4:16 pm
*sigh* OK STJ. I’ll say it slowly. I’d prefer Arsenal to remain owned by English people. Not because I’m rascist ( try telling that to my multiracial step daughter, my Jewish family and my white, christian friends..) but because I believe that english people, or naturalised britons who have made their home here, are more likely to understand the tradition of the club, and less likely to bail out when the whim takes them, or a foreign government grows some balls. They are also less likely to have made their pile by asset stripping an entire nation. I admit you could argue that point, given the endemic dodginess of football chairmen at the moment, but I am NOT saying that all englishmen are paragons of virtue. But in any case, you’re missing my point, which I can understand given there are like 120 posts here or whatever.
My point is this. Not giving a shit about starving millions, whose robbed resources are paying for your club to make losses of £100m + a year, IS rascist. Stuff the siberians, as long as we can buy a title! Nice attitude, and not rascist at all, eh? just for one second, stop being a fan, and be a human being. Can you honestly say you feel no guilt? Even if you don’t care about any of that, you should be worried because if (when?) this catches up with RA, Chelsea will go bust. Believe it or not, I wouldnt want to see that happen.
Don’t cloud the issue. Your club is run on blood money.
Sack the Juggler
Oct 3, 2006 at 4:33 pm
SammyNelsonPants - good point and very eloquently put, i take back my comments and apologise for them, I clearly miss-understood your intent. I only wish Wenger had been as eloquent, then perhaps the last hundred and odd posts would have been avoided.
I don’t know if Abramovich will be around forever, but I suspect he wont be and may move on one day (as most chairman do), but clubs have been sold with debt before.
With regard to Abramovich’s billions, I suspect that this was a factor of the emerging and unsophisticated free market ecomony that allowed him to buy up his business at price that whilst staggering high for the USSR, was actually a bargain on the world market and he was able to pay back the syndicated loans that financed the deal within a year or two.
I’m sure there are doubts about his business tactics and associates, but having worked in St petersburg, the only way to do business is with the protection of the Mafia out there. But its exactly the same in Italy (only less obvious).
I’m not saying that Abramovich is a saint, but then again, any businessman, whether he be English, Russian or Swedish has to be hard nosed to get what he wants (look at Alan Sugar).
In the past British businessmen were responsible for exploiting the world, and thats how and why we grew the empire, but that still wouldn’t expurge Abramovich from any crimes.
Is he guilty of the conditions that Siberian peasants find themselves in now? No, they are victims of a crumbling communist regime, I suspect that all Abramovich is guilty of is seeing the opportunity and taking it before someone from the west did.
As to me, I’m guilty of many things, but being a Cheslea fan isn’t one of them.
SammyNelsonsPants
Oct 3, 2006 at 5:50 pm
Wow. I expected a flame, and didnt get one….. and sorry for the missapprehension over your club. We disagree over RA’s responsibility for Siberia, but hey. I can’t match your insight having never been to Russia , but I don’t think the situation there absolves RA entirely. If it was me, I really do hope that I would put more into helping my countrymen, and less into an expensive plaything.
I don’t have a problem with Arsenal having to compete to win the league, and if they fail, coming in 2nd, 3rd or even 4th. Bring it on. I believe Arsenal to be the best club, and the best team. Wenger ( and ONLY Wenger) can compete against the millions, because he’s a football genius. I really believe that, as I do of Bob Paisley, and Martin O’ Neill. But everyone else, with the sole exception of Man U and Liverpool is screwed. But then I would say that wouldnt I ? Its what being a supporter is all about…
However, I DO have a problem with Chelsea running at such huge losses, and distorting the finances of football, as I believe they have since RA came in, and given my feelings on RA and siberia, I REALLY have a problem with Chelsea fans who are metaphorically waving their wads…..
So, hatchets buried, disagreements agreed?
Sack the Juggler
Oct 3, 2006 at 6:05 pm
Hatchets buried, disagreements agreed, to be honest the more Gooners I meet on here, the more my opinion changes about Wenger (well you can’t ALL be wrong can you!). I must admit, over the years I’ve been astounded by his dealings in the transfer market, but I’m still not sure if its him or his backroom team that is able to spot talent like Henry, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Van Persie, at such a young age and therefore at such a cheap price.
Basically his whole team has been made up of talent that has been developed rather than established elsehwere and bought in.
Even though I disagree with his comments sometimes, I’ve got to admit, he’s definitely got something about him (a certain “je ne sais quoi”1). Ok, thats enough of the Wenger love-in, I’ll see you again.
imbacc
Sep 25, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Hey sac - a year on from your article are you still pleased with your russian ownership? missing Jose? what a difference a year makes
Afonso Viegas Ferreira Manuel
Jul 5, 2008 at 2:10 pm
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It is an Angolan organization of philanthropic character that it develops actions in favor of the lacking children and miserable families, mainly led them by women in the domains of the:
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Afonso Viegas Ferreira Manuel
E-mail: udessd@yahoo.com.br, walphonse@hotmail.com
Cll : +244 912 678979, +244924902703 / Benguela – República de Angola
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C’est une organisation angolaise de caractère philanthropique qu’il développe des actions en faveur des manquant enfants et familles misérables, principalement les a menés par les femmes dans les domaines du:
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Directeur général
Afonso Viegas Ferreira Manuel
E-mail: udessd@yahoo.com.br, walphonse@hotmail.com
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